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Episode 19 · 2 years ago

The Death of Kendrick Johnson: Accident or Something More Sinister?

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

In January of 2013, the body of Lowndes High School student Kendrick Johnson was found on campus under very mysterious circumstances. It did not take long, however, for his death to be ruled an accident. As more people began paying attention to this case and more evidence came to light, including a confession from one of Kendrick's fellow classmates, it has started to look less and less like what happened to Kendrick was simply accidental. Could the young boy have met a more sinister fate? 

Petition to have Kendrick's Case Re-Opened: 

https://www.change.org/p/united-states-supreme-court-justice-for-kendrick-johnson

Places to Donate to the Black Lives Matter Movement: 

https://nymag.com/strategist/article/where-to-donate-for-black-lives-matter.html

Sources: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLQfCEHPPxKLKbrS3U3CiUXkicPCd2aaz_&v=n0pfMRlZnzk

https://valdostatoday.com/news-2/local/2017/08/was-a-potential-witness-in-the-kendrick-johnson-case-silenced/

https://www.cnn.com/2014/03/19/us/kendrick-johnson-death-probe-georgia/index.html

https://crimecasecollection.tumblr.com/post/180341260388/third-autopsy-reveals-foul-play

TW/ Kendrick's Body: https://rollingout.com/2017/08/10/kendrick-johnson-parents-teen-gym-mat-death-forced-pay-300k/

TW/ Kendrick's Body: https://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/teens-at-center-of-kendrick-johnson-investigation-deny-involvement-warning-graphic-pics.913552/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBX9ft6z67A

http://valdosta.sgaonline.com/2010vdt/pdfs/KJohnson_second_autopsy.pdf

TW/ Kendrick's Body: https://heavy.com/news/2013/10/kendrick-johnson-georgia-mat-death-conspiracy/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFglgQZ2cOQ

Hi and welcome back to did you lock the door? The podcast? I'm your host, Peyton Reese, and I have a familiar voice with me today. It's me again, Yay, my friend William, will for short. He was with us on the Paulic Seduski episode and the Gannon Stout episode. So welcome back. Thank you. It's fantastic to be back. Fantastic to have you back. So today we're going to be talking about a case that has literally baffled me since the second I heard about it. It's it's pretty crazy. I don't know, but it's pretty crazy. I'm prepared, and it's also been brought back into the spotlight recently with the black lives matter protests that have been a lot more prevalent. This is one of the cases that people have been like calling out for justice in. So I thought maybe I could be kind of a voice in that. This is definitely a case that shouldn't be closed. There are too many questions, I think, for law enforcement to have made a definitive ruling already. So I definitely think this is one that needs to be talked about, which is why I'm bringing it to you all today. So today we're going to be talking about the mysterious, to say the least, death of Kendrick Johnson. So Kendrick Lamar Johnson was born October ten in one thousand nine hundred and ninety five two parents, Kenneth Johnson senior and Jacqueline Johnson. He and his family lived in Valdosta, Georgia, where Kendrick attended lowndes high school. He's described as sweet and quote, the light of the household by his parents. He was known for his bright smile, humble spirits and his love of sports. He played basketball and football and he dreamt of eventually playing for the NFL. And on January ten two thousand and thirteen, Kendrick was actually supposed to be attending one of these basketball games. So his parents weren't that worried when he didn't come home at his usual time that evening. As I'm sure a lot of US remember, any sort of sporting event in high school usually started somewhere between like four PM and six PM, and sometimes they'd run even later than that if the timing was off at all. So of course when he didn't come home at his usual like thirty PM, his parents weren't freaking out. He was supposed to be playing basketball. That's what they thought he was doing. When it did get to around nine PM, though, Jacqueline, who, just reminder, was kendricks mother, was beginning to get kind of worried. Kendrick definitely should have been home by then, but she didn't think she needed to alert authorities just yet. She waited another hour till it was around Zen and now she knew that maybe she didn't need to call the police quite yet, but she should probably go and do something. I mean, after all, Kendrick did have school the next morning. So, like, if it was ten PM and he wasn't home, I'd be mortified. Yeah, I think both of our I think both of our moms would have in high school. If we weren't home by them would be raising hell Oh to find either. But anyway, so when it did get to be around ten PM, she knew that she should probably do something. So she hopped in her car and she drove to the high school to see if maybe the basketball game had just run late and Kendrick was it quite home yet, or he didn't have a ride home. He was set to walk. So she thought maybe she'd see him like on the route and at the same time, she was calling his cell phone and receiving no answer, and she was calling around people that might know where he was, and she was either also getting no answer or an I don't know. So when she finally got back home from driving around a little bit after midnight, she immediately called the police to report her son as a missing person. The next morning, Jacqueline got up bright and early to head back to...

Lowndes high school to put up missing persons fires and to spread the news about Kendricks's appearance in the hopes that one of his fellow classmates would know what had happened to him or where he was. Upon her arrival at the school, Jacqueline learned that not only had Kendrick not come home last night, he had actually been absent from his third period class and all of the classes that came after it. So this obviously only served to confirm Jack Clenn suspicions that something very, very bad had happened to her son. Around thirty am that morning, some students hanging out in the gym noticed what looked like socks sticking up out of one of the rolled up wrestling mats and they thought that was a little weird. So, yeah, yeah, so they walked up to get a closer look and when they did, they were surprised to find what appeared to be a person rolled up inside the mat. Good God. Not yet realizing the magnitude of what they had discovered, the kids moved the Mat. So I'm sure a lot of us are familiar with what wrestling mats or cheerleading mats whatever, look like. In high schools there those giant like Jim core mats that are always, or usually, sitting vertically in the corner of Your Gym, of Your High School Gym. Always want to climb them just so that way I can like try to dunk exactly. But essentially, so it's those mats. It's the really big, tall mats when they're standing vertically, and normally they're used for wrestling or for cheerleading or for some sort of sport like that that's a contact sport. The students had discovered what looked just like a person that was stuck. But when they moved the Mat from sitting vertically to sitting horizontally, there were kind of smells that came up that didn't sit too right with them. kind of this what they described as a smell of blood, vomit and slight decomposition. My God. And so they didn't really investigate further, which I don't blame them. They definitely shouldn't have. They just went right to school administration, who called the police and also issued a lockdown order for the high school. And the lockdown order was issued because it was believed that a body had been found. Sadly, Jacqueline was still at the school handing out missing persons fires when the discovery was made and the school administrators, actually not the police, had the what I'm sure was a very difficult job of telling her that a body had been found inside one of the rolled up gym mats and that it was very likely her son, Kendrick. Well, that's got to be for the school administrators to have that, like tell a mom that. Yeah, they weren't trained for that. Oh Yeah, for sure, monitoring not on their job description. Yeah, eventually the body would be confirmed to be that of Kendrick Johnson. He was found upside down, so when the mat was vertical, his head was facing it was near the floor and his feet were like closer to the top of the Mat. One of his arms was stretched out in front of him and the other was by his side. So it's almost like the kind of like he was swimming, you know, and it like like that. Yeah, and two pairs of shoes were also found near his body. One pair was sitting, I don't know how to describe it really, but it was sitting inside the mat with him, next to his legs, near the top of the Mat and we don't know if they were the shoes that he was wearing that day, but they were literally just like so his legs are sticking straight up out of the mat and the shoes are just sitting very nicely placed right by his legs. That's the first pair of shoes. The other pair were actually not found together. One pair was found outside of the gym Mat, just sitting right next to it, and the other was found underneath Kendricks head inside of the Mat. So essentially kendricks head was not touching the floor. His head was a couple inches above the floor and then the shoe was like in the middle of the mat on the floor. HMM. But interestingly there was a small pool of blood underneath the shoe that had been found inside the mat with...

Kendrick, but there was not blood on the shoe, and I'll actually show you a picture of that shoe right now if you have any comments. But see, so you see the shoe, like on the top of it you've got it's as if it's untouched. It's as if it was put on to Ur. It ended up on top of the blood that was already there, because it's a black and white shoe. But there's enough white for if blood had been dripping down from it, it would be on the shoe and even on the black you can see that there's no like stains on the black part. It looks very clean. My question is the the the fishy part about this all. From what I can tell from this already, why didn't he just if his shoes were in were at the bottom? Why didn't he just mean? I mean first I was just push the mat over and are my shoes from their own have gone over. I mean, what are they going to tell you? Or they I just casually get yelled at for the Matt being on the floor? I actually I have a note about that. Will definitely talk about that. I thought that was really weird as well. So, in addition to their being a pool of blood underneath the shoe but no blood on top of the shoe. There was blood on the wall right behind the gym mat in which Kendrick had been found, and there was blood on some paper towels that were in the girls bathroom. The blood on both the paper towels and on the wall were tested and they didn't match Kendrick. But they were only tested against Kendricks so we actually have no idea who they actually did match to because they never tested them to anyone else. So that it is Super Fun and not fishy at all. Wow, you know, pretty straightforward. After the initial autopsy done by the Georgia Police Department, Kendrick's death was pretty quickly ruled an accident. The coroner had come to the conclusion that Kendrick had died from, quote, positional asphyxiation and quote. The explanation put forth by the police was that Kendrick had simply fallen into one of the mats while trying to get his shoes and that he just hadn't been able to get himself out. Many students of Lowndes High School, actually not just Kendrick, either didn't want to or didn't have the means to pay for a locker so it actually wasn't uncommon at all for students to hide their shoes in and around the gym mats and they would just like put them there at the start of gym class and they would grab of them at the end. So it makes sense why his shoes would be there. But that's kind of the only thing in the scenario that makes sense. I mean, I I understand maybe say he just like through his shoes and it kind of fell in and they like fell into different places, which is why one shoe was on the outside of the gym Mat and once she was inside. But again, like you said earlier and like we'll talk about later, I just don't think he would have gone from the top of the gym Mat yet to get a shoe that fell inside to the bottom on top of the how would you? Would he climb up the gym master pretty close to the bleachers, so he could have just climb the bleachers and like crawled on top of the mats from there. But it still doesn't make much sense. And Yeah, we'll definitely get into that later, guys, don't worry. So essentially the police were saying that he didn't have a locker, which we know he didn't. So he had just thrown his shoes wanted gotten stuck and it was just an accident that, when trying to get the shoe Kendrika gotten stuck in the middle of this gym Mat and couldn't find his way out. What first stands out to me as really weird regarding the gym Mat he got stuck in was the space that he had apparently crawled his way into, or slipped and fell into and was stuck in, was actually several inches smaller than the width of his shoulders. The width of his shoulders was nineteen inches and the diameter of the circle in the middle of the gym mat that he had fallen into was fourteen inches. So in the minds of the police, he just fell into a hole several inches smaller than the width of his shoulders and eventually suffocated. And obviously I can see...

...if he found himself in a tight place like that and suffocated, obviously he would suff k. That makes a lot of sense, but it does not seem possible to me that a man with a nineteen inch shoulder with just slipped and fell into a fourteen inch diameter gym that hole they said they found him like this, right, with his hand technically facing down. Yes, so one hand was out almost like it was reaching for the shoe and one hand was tucked in next to his body, like along his torso I mean I could probably see how he may have. I don't think he just like slipped. I wouldn't be surprised. No, I mean I could see how he would. Physically, you could fit someone into it. That makes sense. But as to how he himself did it, it doesn't make sense because even okay, so if you put one arm forward and one arm really close to him, that might make the width of his shoulders a little bit smaller, but not enough for him to just slip and fall in. Yeah, no, I you know this. None of this makes sense. He just he would probably have to do a lot of work physically to get himself or just like a lot of sliding down in. It wouldn't just happen. Yeah, he'd have to really try to get himself in there. And there were other students. I mean this is the middle of the day, this is right before third period, so they're so before the middle of the day even, there should be other students in the gym and we know that there were other students in the gym that likely would have seen him trying to get into the gym Mat. My question is, then, I don't know if we're going to probably talk about this further into it, but what happens to four, fifth our how many periods of school has but fourth, fifth, six, maybe even seventh period? Didn't nobody just hear someone just I don't know how long it takes to a FIG yelling for how? Yeah, or like, I don't know, moving gym Mat or no question. Yeah, well, that we talk about that more. Yeah, it's this is nothing if not a weird case. So, like I said right off the Bat, I have a lot of problems with the police of theory. We've already mentioned that the gym Mat, the diameter of the hole in the middle of the gym Mat was a lot smaller than Kendrick. You know he's play plays football, right, he does play football. Yeah, so we've built to like you can see pictures of him. He looks like a big dude. But, like you were saying earlier, I actually did cheerleading in high school and we worked with these mats a lot and if one of my shoes had fallen into the center of the Mat. I would have just like lifted the mat up and grab my shoe out from under it, because the mats aren't they aren't light, but they're not particularly heavy either. So I would have just kind of tilted them mat up a tiny bit so it was leaning on another mat. It wasn't falling over anything. The way that their space together, there are other mats arounds. You could just lean it up a little bit and I would just grab my shoe. It would never even like ever have occurred to me to try and go in from the top and grab my shoe. Even then, even if you wouldn't say that, you wouldn't do that. I mean then I'd probably just tell my teacher, hey, my shoes underneath the Mat. MMM, can I get my shoe? And that's all I would probably ask. And then, if he told me none of them, I find someone that helped me keep my shoe and I can see a world where he doesn't tell a teacher, because I haven't heard anything about whether or not the teachers knew that students put their shoes and the gym mats. So if it was something they weren't supposed to be doing, I can see him not telling a teacher, but if his first thought was go from the top but he realized he couldn't get in there, I don't see why he would try and force himself in there. I mean I don't you would think logically his next step, oh I can't fit, let me just lift the bottom of the mat up just a little bit, grab my shoe, we're all good. At some point your thought has to be go from the bottom, since that's where they're at. Is I don't know how tall are these gym mats, but they're like six foot two. They're tall. My first start...

...at Lisa's like bottom. I don't know, maybe maybe I'm missing something, but it doesn't make sense. It's just I can't see a large football player looking into a tiny hole that he obviously can't fit into, thinking and being like I'm gonna go down there, I'm going to go through and grab my shoes. Kendrick was a perfectly strong, on capable person that could have just lifted them that up a tiny bit, grabbed his shoe and then been on his way or, like worst case scenario, just like push the entire thing over. I would exactly. I'll take my chances with that. To get my shoe. I pay for them. Yes, and the next thing I have is if you mentioned this before, but if Kendrick did fall in, why didn't anyone hear him yelling for help? I mean, yes, I'm sure the inside of the Mat is going to cancel out the noise a little bit, but if this guy is screaming for his life, I mean again, he fell in either in the middle of or before third period, so no one heard him yelling all day. Like an entire school day went by with this kid supposedly having slipped and fallen and gotten stuck in a gym Mat. That was not like. If you look up photos of this gym, the Mats are in the gym very close to where the students would be using the basketball court, so they're close to the students. If he was stuck in there for almost an entire school day, I just can't see a world where someone doesn't hear him yelling. I don't. I don't either. It doesn't. Even if you couldn't hear him, wouldn't you see it moving? Because he's probably struggling in there. I don't know if the MAT would move, but the kids that found Kendrick found him because they saw that his feet were still sticking out the top. So you think you would see feet? Yeah, like maybe round around, yeah, and also just like okay, even if he was feeling prideful and he didn't want to yell for help for like an hour or two, I can't see him going the entire day without yelling for help, because at some point it's not pride anymore, it's like I'm really stuck and I'm not going to get myself out of this, I need someone else to help me. Yeah, I just don't see a world where he either didn't yell for help or no one heard him yell for help. It just doesn't make any sense to me. I don't think that would happen. There actually is some footage of three students playing basketball in the gym at the time that Kendrick is thought to have gotten stuck in the Mat. Sorry, however, the camera that would have been pointed directly at the mats and therefore would have caught what happened to Kendrick wasn't working correctly the day that he died. Definitely not suspicious at all. Also, interviewing the footage that is available from that day, there are some time jumps in it, which lead Kendricks family and all of their supporters understandably. It's believe that the footage was doctored in some way. So I actually have the footage pulled up. If we'll watch really quick and you can just tell me if you find it weird at all. Cameras about in that area of the gym up to forty eight hours for each camera. So our mad ninety hundred plus hours. Now we do have a clip of what's happening inside the gym at the moment that Kendrick Johnson walks in. Remember, the school's attorney says that there were others in the gym, those miners. We've blurred them to protect their identity, but they're playing basketball near the camera. We see Kendrick run at the bottom of the screen to the far side of the now we know that that's where the mats are and we know this is a few minutes before. According to police, that's when he went inside the mat. So we're waiting for the rest of this. What we're posed them wait. So but from the looks of it they're all laying down. All the mats are laying down. Or was that one standing up. So the mats that he falls into, or the Mat that he falls into is not in frame there, and it's because that camera wasn't working that day, which is so convenient. Yeah, yeah, a, really, but there is a picture online. Just Google Kendrick...

Johnson mats and I'll come up. A couple of the mats are laying down, but then there's a group of what looks like six or more mats that are standing up in the back and he was found inside one of the mats, so was standing up. Okay, I know you had wanted to talk about how long it might take someone to suffocate from positional asphyxia, as the original autopsy said that Kendrick did. So if you want to go ahead and talk about that all, hand over the reins really quick. Well, I looked it up and in two thousand and nine a man named John Jones died after spending twenty eight hours stuck upside down in a cave. So it turns out, from what I'm reading, granted this is on Corecom, but from what I'm reading here, turns out your lungs evolved to sit atop all the other organs for a reason, delicate organs that they are. But it says that a man was able to survive twenty hours, but I've also seen a lot of twenty four hours. Hate what happens when you're hanging for twenty four hours. So at some point, at least when he supposedly fell, is there not a teacher in the gym at one point after the period ends where he just is screaming I fell, I fell, like no, absolutely, I just there's no world to me where he doesn't start screaming after at most an hour after he stepped. Yeah, because, okay, if you're embarrassed, if you're shy and you don't want to alert people, but if I'm stuck, I'm pretty shy. Yeah, and if I'm stuck for an hour and I know I can't get out, it's time to make noise. Oh No, if soon as I get stuck, I'll just ill stoll, I'll let everyone know. But that's weird that there's too many things that just don't line up that make it like, like you said, it doesn't make sense that it's just an accident. I completely disagree. It doesn't make any sense. And also, regarding the video footage, it looks like you can see three boys playing basketball and then at one point around the middle of the video footage, you see Kendrick run in the bottom right corner towards the gym mats. But it does I mean it's not consistent footage, like it's not footage that is consistently streaming. They're very obvious cuts, like the boys playing basketball will be in one part of the gym and one second, yeah, and then the next second they're in like totally different points. Yeah, and obviously that could be how that camera is set to record, but that's weird and you said something earlier about that. Maybe they have a strict rule about, you know, leaving your shoes around, but they're like kind of wearing casual clothing that you'd wear at a basketball court, so it doesn't seem too strict. I don't know. A lot doesn't add up well. Again, like it seems like they're pulling at straws to make it sound like it's an accident. Yeah, and that could play into why it might have taken him a little bit of time teal out for help because he knew we get in trouble. But again he got stuck either at the beginning of or in the middle of third period and most high schools go through seventh periods. You're telling me he was so afraid of getting in trouble he was stuck for like five hours and didn't make a sound. Yeah, and just chose to just you know what I'm a show. Yeah, no, suck upside down in a very tight space with no way of getting out and he just didn't yell for help while his feet were pointed out of the Matt Neck. No administrator, no one just casually saw it like to to find it the next day, and it wasn't even a ministrators that found it, it was other students and it didn't take them long at all to find him the next day. It was around ten am when they did find Kendrick. So there's also a basketball game, like with all the people that were there, even if nobody just chooses to look in that area. You mean to tell me that everybody WHO's watching the basketball game just chose to see socks pointing? I don't know, I haven't even thought about that. Oh my God. Yeah, there was a basketball game in the gym and and no one notice. Snow, students and no, none of this makes sense. Yeah, Dude, no, I...

...hadn't even thought about that. That is crazy. Oh Shit. Yeah, that does not make none of this makes sense. I'm able. This is me personally, but if I can see, if I see cash on the ground, I could so. If I see feet, like if I see socks pointing out on I think that they're just pulls their casual socks don't stand on their own. I would assume that seems to be a pretty big problem. I would have told like a coach or something. Yeah, because, okay, in a small town, a basketball game, like a high school basketball game, going on in a small town, people show up to that. Yeah, like that is all there is to do. High schools, like you know, I I went to maybe one of the harmony high school games and that place was packed at you know, my sister was in, was part of the team. I just never cared to go normally, but normally like those, that place was packed with many, with a lot of fellow students, but a lot of parents as well. No one thought, no one selfie kicking either, because like that that's that's like I mean waving a flag at you. You know, none, he was killed. I'm I don't know, there's more. Ivan's go over, but I don't fault you at all for coming to that conclusion so far. So, as we've said, the conclusion that the police and the state have come to already is that this was just a tragic accident. Understandably, Kendrick Johnson's parents were not satisfied with these findings and they actually reached out to a reverend floyd rose, who was and remains the leader of the Valdosta Southern Leadership Conference. They asked him for his help in putting together an independent investigative team to look into their son's death, and he agreed and he and his team of actually been working very closely with a Johnson family also since date, almost since day one, to help them find answers. And in April of two thousand and thirteen, actually, so a couple months after Kendrick had died, the Johnson family stood holding hands in front of the Lowndes County Court House in protest, and it only took about an hour for officers to arrest Kendrick Johnson's family for civil disobedience because a black family was standing civilly in front of a court house to protest the death of their son. Yeah, and Floyd rose who is the reverend we just spoke about, actually offered his own home as collateral so that he could bail all of Kendricks family members out of jail. So Reverend Floyd rose is a very crucial part of this case and a very good man. Clearly, the following month, so may of two thousand and thirteen, the Johnson family would hold a fundraising event that was actually hosted by Al Sharpton, who is not only the founder of the National Action Network, he has ran for president in the past. He was almost a US president. So pretty big deal, pretty big name. And actually from this fundraiser they raised about five thousand dollars to help in their fight for their son, and a local businessman named Roy Taylor donated Tenzero to the Johnson family that was to be used as reward money for anyone that could help them figure out the truth. So so far they have about fifteen thousand dollars in reward money for any information brought forward regarding what actually happened to Kendrick. Because of the money in support they've been getting, the Johnson family was able to hire their own pathologist, a man by the name of Dr William Anderson, and he actually performed a second independent autopsy, so independent of the State and the Georgia Police Department, in August of two thousand and thirteen, and he made a he made a pretty shocking discovery. The first thing that he noticed when he begun his autopsy was that every single one of Kendricks organs, even his brain, were gone. No one knew where they were. And not only were they gone, they had been replaced with crumpled up newspaper. What. Oh, wait, what the...

...yeah, the corner, the first corner, didn't then find this? Well, I assume when the first corner opened him up, the organs were still there. I am assuming that the crumpled up newspaper was put there by the original person that performed the autopsy, who was also the same person that lost every single one of his organs. Weight loss them. They're gone, they're corner gone them out. Yeah, which is actually not uncommon practice, but in a case that is still unresolved like this case, it is. It is uncommon practice, and it is certainly not common practice ever to fill bodies with newspaper, with crumpled up newspaper. I mean sometimes they use cotton because when you're prepping a body for the funeral. You do need to stuff it with something to make sure that it holds its shape, but it hasn't been newspaper in about fifty, sixty years. So, just just so that I can understand this, so the previous corner who ruled it an accident, casually brow and I casually but nonetheless, removed all of this kids organs and decided that the best way to what make it seem like nothing happened just stuff it with newspaper. Okay, if it's an accident and you don't think that you have any more to do with this body, okay, I understand. You're going to stuff it and get it ready for the funeral. It's incredibly disrespectful to stuff it with crumpled up newspaper, Websolute, but I can understand. So I actually spoke to my friend Hannah, who works in the medical examiner's office, and she said that her office keeps organs and or organ tissue for a minimum of six months after an autopsy is performed. Which, okay. So the first autopsy was performed in January, this one is August. That's a little bit more than six months. So okay, maybe if they had just thrown away the organs, but the organs were thrown away right after the initial autopsy in January and he was stuffed with crumpled up newspaper right after the initial autopsy in January. So disrespectful, so suspicious, so weird, like I'm dumb fond is like, to be completely honest, they performed the autopsy at first and then just immediately tossed out his organs, like what? And so disrespectful to fill with crumpled up newspaper. What? When that hasn't been common practice and at least fifty years or kidding, I mean, that's that. Like God, you would hope that corner, a license corner would know maybe we shouldn't use crumpled up newspaper literally. And you know, if you don't have the tissue or the you said, the cotton. The yeah, cotton. Yeah, if you don't have it, you just kind of wait, yeah, and until you have cotton, would you not that hard to acquire? But no, just stuff and with newspaper and throw out all the organs with no explanation. But other things that are also of interest that were found during this autopsy is Dr Anderson discovered a pretty small bruise about three quarters of an inch on the right side of Kendricks neck, and the discovery of this bruise led him to label the cause of death as, quote, unexplained, apparent, non accidental blunt force trauma and, quote. He also noted that the bruise indicated, quote, rapid on set death and quote, and that his death was not consistent with positional asphyxia. With their suspicions now pretty much confirmed by Dr Anderson, the Johnson family began to get a bit more vocal about who they believed to be responsible for what happened to their son.

So now we're going to get a little bit into suspects and I'm very excited to hear your thoughts on this. Okay, so the only two people that really have ever been named our two brothers named Brian and Brandon Bell, both classmates of Kendrick. While Brian and Brandon both claimed, and both publicly claimed to this day, that they were really good friends with Kendrick, Kendricks family, especially his mother, maintained that the boys were never friends. In fact, they were quite the opposite. Kendrick would often, like very very often, almost daily, come home complaining about the bullying that he experienced at the hands of the brothers. Kendricks mom, and this is documented, had even gone to the school months prior to Kendricks Death to complain about Brian Bell, specifically because of how out of hand she felt his bullying of her son had gotten. HMM. And on August six two thousand and seventeen, a man named Ryan Anthony Hernandez claimed that he was hanging out at Brandon Bell's home when Brandon made a full confession to him that his brother Brian had struck Kendrick Johnson in the neck and head with a dumb bell during a fit of roid rage, which killed him almost instantly, and that brandon himself, along with their mutual friend Ryan, who is the one making this confession, helped stage the scene afterwards to make it look like an accident. And I actually have that written confession pulled up, so I'll read that for you in more detail. Quote. My Name Is Ryan Anthony Hernandez and I am over the age of twenty one years of age. I am giving this decoration voluntarily and I have personal knowledge of the facts stated herein and I know them to be true. I met Brandon Bell in April of two thousand and sixteen and on one occasion was with him at his apartment in Jacksonville, Florida when he told me that his younger brother killed Kendrick Johnson. According to Brandon Bell, Brian Bell, Ryan Hall and Kendrick Johnson were in the gym when an argument between Brian and Kendrick began. In the argument was about or over, Brian's girlfriend. According to Brandon Bell, Brian was taking steroids at the time and out of quote, Royd rage and quote or the effects of the steroids, he struck Kendrick Johnson in the neck with a forty five pound weight or dumb bells. Brandon Bell stated that Brian Bell a pined that the aforementioned blow may have broken Kendrick Johnson's neck. According to Brandon Bell, Ryan Hall was a witness to the fight and Brian Bell told Ryan Hall that if he didn't keep quiet and help him move Kendrick Johnson's body, his father, who is now a retired FBI special agent named Rick Bell, would make sure that he Ryan Hall would quote, pay for it and quote Jesus Christ. So, in like a fit of rage, he's just casually grabs a forty five palm plate and just wow, roid rage is definitely not an uncommon side effect for people that take steroids like I can absolutely absolutely seeing that happen. And also in terms of other evidence that looks like it might have been doctors, like the surveillance footage. That very much looks edited, like it obviously is edited. You can tell that there are cuts and the surrounds, but yeah, it cuts a lot like they'll be staged at one point, they'll take up a shot and then they're all staged at and to go for another shot. No rebounds, nothing. Yeah, and the fact that Bryan and Brandon Bell's father is a former FBI agent, and we actually didn't mention this earlier, but until about the point in the investigation where the second autopsy was greenlit and gone through with, the parents of Kendrick Johnson were actually not allowed to view any of the security footage. The school kept it secret from them for as long as they could.

They actively requested it almost daily and they were actively denied almost daily until months after their child had died and after the autopsy was performed, after it was ruled in accidents, they were finally allowed to see the footage. So a lot of fishy things, to say the very, very, very least. Yeah, does it say at all if there's, like I'm assuming there's a weight room right that allows them to start lifting weights and so on? I would see a lot about that. But yes, I believe that there is a weight room. They don't think we have a camera in there. I don't know, I don't know. She's like, it's runs really deep. Yeah, there are a lot of theories and stuff about this case online, but in terms of actual facts on the case you really have to dig deep, like I dug very deep for what I have, and there's even a lot of holes in what I have, like obviously they're should have been a camera in the weight room that Kendrick was supposedly murdered and but apparently there wasn't. So okay, we'll find out. But do they take his confession legitimately or no? Web Sleuths and supporters of Kendricks family took the confession seriously. However, according to police, they have certain evidence that refute and or disprove Ryan's confession. To begin with, one of the brothers, we have not been told which one, was caught on surveillance video on the opposite side of the school during the time in which it is believed that Kendrick either fell into or was stuffed into the mat and the other brother was at a wrestling tournament, and apparently this one is cooperated by both eyewitnesses and footage. We gotten to see any of it? No, for real. Initially it was believed that the travel logs relating to the wrestling tournament had been doctored to fabricate an alibi for one of the brothers. However, it has since been proven that one of the brothers at least was definitively not on school property at the time that Kendrick likely went into the mat. I'm assuming this has to have been, quote, definitively proven and quote, by eyewitness testimony. That is the only way that I can think of it being definitively proven, or, I guess, with video footage, but again with it being pretty obvious to me that the footage they have of Kendrick going into the gym is at least slightly edited. I don't trust video footage, so I'm guessing they have to have a lot of witnesses, or they don't even have to have a lot of witnesses. If they want a doctor some video footage and say Nah, he wasn't in the even in the school, they could totally do that. Well, from from what we were there, at no point does who's the one that gave the confession? Bryan Anthony Right, yeah, Ryan Anthony Hernanda is yeah, so Ryan Hernand is he? He and no point states the time or anything. So they haven't found him since third period. No one knows for how long they are's going on. So that's based off of what they've considered the time of death. But I would assume that that a confession like this is not only to be taken completely seriously and to be seen. Okay. Well, if that's the case, then could there have could there be a way that you could time him to be there? And I mean it's a school. I've ended up numerous times on the opposite side of my school, but I end up having to go to, for examples, the gym because it's a different period. I have a lot of thoughts about that. We do have a third autopsy discussed, but then we'll get into theories about whether or not it was the bell brothers, maybe someone else. Yeah, we'll get into all of that. We definitely have a theory as section...

...waiting for all of you. Yes, so actually it. There was not another autopsy done until late two thousand and eighteen. So from mid two thousand and thirteen to late two thousand and eighteen, that's how long it took. But a third autopsy would be performed this autopsy. People largely do try to discredit it because it was also done by an examiner, an independent examiner hired by kendricks parents. But I would like to think that a medical professional hired to do this autopsy wouldn't just tell the parents what they want to hear. They would tell the parents what they actually find. But I have no way of confirming that. So obviously take this as you will. But in this autopsy it was concluded that Kendrick had died from, quote, non accidental blunt force trauma to his neck end, quote, which is consistent with the findings of the second autopsy and consistent with what his parents have been saying all along, and it is consistent with, again, the bruise found on Kendricks neck during the second autopsy. Ye, not two out of three, a two out of three. I take my chances. With the third one, I agree. The Johnson family believe that the police and the original corner being so quick to rule their son's death and accident and to throw out a lot of the evidence, coupled with what they believed to be altered security footage from the day that Kendrick died, all point to a conspiracy and a cover up to hide what the Bell Brothers really had done. And they also believe that this conspiracy was orchestrated not only by local police but by the brothers father, an Asian of the FBI with access to all kinds of things that we don't even know about. I mean, so one of them casually has a brother as a father who's in the FBI like eight. It's not, I know right. It's not like I'm not going to see that. You know, I'm not gonna say here and through our conspiracy through I'm just going to say it's it's not unheard of. You know, we don't know what a parent would go through to protect her, the same way that you know, Kendricks mom went to the school and was there early in the morning passing on missing persons posters. This dude may have thought that it's good to cover up his son's what his son atrociously did. For sure, I want to talk about it like in two different ways, because I believe that Kendrick was murdered and put in that Mat. I just have questions about whether or not it was the bell brothers. In my mind, there are two different scenarios that played out. I mean, I guess I'll go with three because obviously, first theory, it is possible that this was an accident, that Kendrick just didn't do the smartest thing when reaching for his shoe and against all odds, especially physical, he just slipped into the mat and unfortunately met his end there. I do find that to be the least possible scenario, but we have to mention it because while I feel it's not likely, it is absolutely possible. So I think first we'll talk about maybe if it wasn't the bell brothers, because I think that'll be a shorter discussion. So there were other people in the gym at the time that Kendrick at the time, they think Kendrick went into the mat. We don't know who these people are. I mean I'm sure the police know who these people are, but we don't maybe there are more people that came into the gym near the mats where security wasn't catching them on camera, or maybe there's footage that we the public haven't seen that shows these boys that were already in the gym kind of meandering to that back portion. But who's to say it was the bell brothers that he got in a fight with and that put him in the Mat? I mean, it could be anybody. Only reason I can see them specifically is it's not unheard of for you know, a bully or for bullying to get out of hand. Absolutely so, I mean you're a hundred percent correct it. WHO's to say that...

...it is specifically them? It's just when you've got someone already testifying against them, MMM, and evidence that it's not to allow to the public yet that proves him innocent. On top of that, they're dad is an FBI agent or retired one. Yeah, we'll get will get into them later. I don't want to get too much into them yet, but I just think, I think if one student was on steroids at this school, possibly there were more students that were taking steroids so that they wouldn't be left behind and that they could keep up with their fellow students. So royd rage is a pretty common side effect. Maybe Brian Bell wasn't the only one experiencing roid rage spells at the time. Maybe someone Kendrick didn't even know. Maybe Kendrick accidentally just the wrong button and someone freaked out as a side effect of the steroids they might have been taking and like an inappropriate kind, you know, like one of the things that maybe okay against the girl friends. So like yeah, he said that to someone else. Maybe they just hit him in the neck not even thinking, and then they because okay. The thing that rules out for me of him being dead before he went into the mat is that there was vomit also at the bottom of the mat and I don't know, I've never seen whether or not they did a DNA test on that vomit, but I think we can assume that it was Kendricks because I just can't see a perpetrator vomiting at the bottom of the mat like like what. That just doesn't make sense to me. So I think that whoever put him in that Mat thought they had killed him but hadn't killed him and he woke up probably when no one else was at the school anymore. HMM, and maybe then yelled for help, maybe then vomited, maybe then died of actual positional asphyxia, but I do not think he put him self or slipped and fell into that mat. Yeah, no, definitely that one. Yeah, absolutely. So now we'll get more into the bell brothers. So I honestly believe, or okay, maybe I don't believe, but I don't think it's impossible that their quote unquote, alibis aren't real. I think if they have the father that they have, or they do have the father that they have, they have a father that is or was very high up in the FBI and would have a lot of connections and obviously I would like to think of and consider FBI agents as good, honest people, but you're always going to have people that aren't. Yeah, so we can't rule it out. Obviously. I think that if it was the bell brothers, one of them hits Kendrick in the neck with a dumb bell, they think they've killed him. They immediately call their dad, who says hide the body in a locker and a closet no one ever goes into, in some portion of the school where you know you probably won't be seen all take care of the security footage. We will do something with this body at a later time to make sure that it looks like an accident, or at least looks like you guys didn't do it. So say, either in between the time when school let out and the basketball game started, or after the basketball game ended and there was no one in the school anymore, that is when his body, if it was the bell brothers, was put into the Mat. Left. They're made to look like he was reaching for his shoe and of course, at the time they think he went into the mat. Neither the bell brothers are anywhere near where they need to be, because that gives them both solid alibis, which their FBI father would know. Yeah, because you would think that he, let's just say it's even one, because apparently one was off campus. At least one of them wouldn't be able to just casually think of a way to stage a body that way. Yeah, and I mean okay, they have an FBI dad, they're going to know more about stuff like that than a normal person.

But yeah, I don't think that too high schoolers would be able to so perfectly stage a body to where no one can tell if it's an accident or a murder, for sure. So that's why I think if it was the bell brothers, I think he was hit in the net. He was put into the mat or I feel like he was rolled up into the mat. I think an FBI agent would be smart enough to think, Oh, let's put one arm forward. He's reaching for this shoe. You guys, my sons who go to the school have told me that people often just throw their shoes in the mats. His shoe just landed wrong. He's reaching for the shoe, so one arms back. He's slipped in. I can absolutely see an FBI agent coming up with that and I'm just rolling him up that way and Kendrick wakes up well after anyone who's gone or anyone that didn't do this to him is gone, and he does die a positional asphyxia, but not because he slipped and fell into that mat of his own accord, because it was put in that Mat, because there's no way that that football player with a nineteen inch shoulder with falls into the middle of a gym Mat with a fourteen inch diameter. There's no way. Yeah, you don't just slip. I mean I I would guess that my shoulder with is like fifteen, sixteen inches. And Trust me, I have been in and around those mats so much in my life there is no way I'm slipping into them. I probably wouldn't have slipped into one since I was like six years old. There's no way o death the holes in the middle of those mats when you roll them up tightly, and these mats were wound up tightly. They're small, they are tiny and they are tight and they don't move. You know, if you see the picture where they see you, should they show his body? It's like it's pretty tight. There's actually okay. So we do have a couple more pictures to discuss. I know I normally do all this stuff before I discuss theories, so I apologize to you guys, but I will have will describe some of these pictures to you all. So we mentioned before the two shoes that were found like in the mat with him just kind of sitting by his feet. So these are the shoes. They look like athletic shoes. They are gray, white and orange. Look like Jordan and they do. Yeah, and supposedly they are the shoes that Kendrick was wearing when he fell into the mat. But how would he have kicked his shoes off? They looked placed to me. Not only would he have kicked them off, because so for those who in, obviously you guys can't see it. So you see the mat and then in it is stuff. Is His body stuffed in and the shoes are by his shins. So they're in it. How did they fall in? I just don't see a world where he kicked those shoes off. No, absolutely not. There's no way he could have. Why would he take off his shoes? Why would his shoes be by his shins? It's like they're like right there, but they're like they're packed in and if he didn't kick them off, he would have had to take them off. And if his arms were stuck in like a sort of swimming position at his sides, he's not taking those shoes off. No, not at all. Yeah, no, there's no way that from from what you can see, which is where. Because again, the students say that they found his body, found socks were but they found socks. But why is this picture? He's inside of it. They would. I was going to bring that up as well. Actually. So in this remember we said that when the students found Kendricks body, it was because his socks and also feet inside the socks were sticking out of the Mat. But this picture is a vertical picture taken of the Mat that Kendrick died in, while his body is still in there and his feet are about a foot inside the man, you know, like he's in it, and that's like. You know, if you see the picture, you can see like his shoes like if you look at them, like the the bottom corner, the bottom left corner of the shoes, they're crammed in as if they were, yeah, they were really in stuff in there, as if they were putting a whole bunch of stuff there. And if this matt was vertical, I believe that it has been, yeah, made horizontal in this photo, but Kendricks body has not been moved...

...in this photo. So if this matt was vertical and Kendricks feet are in the same spot, which they would be, you actually wouldn't see his feet sticking out of the Mat. You would not be able to see them at all. They are very far down, which only adds to more of the cover up theory, because you would not see them. You know, and I thought that you were saying that his shoulder with is two inches more even if no, it's not two inches. It's nineteen versus, I believe it's sixteen or fourteen. So yeah, it's actually it's not two inches, it's nineteen versus fourteen. Five and five inch different, you eat. So even if they low they lowered it down right. Yeah, it's not like he would slide down. That's just like, even if you look at it, you still can't see all the way down. MMM. So it's not like you can see across. So He's stuck. So, yeah, more to add to that cover up theory. Here you would not see this boy's feet sticking out on the top of the Mat. So the next thing. WHO found him? The names have never been released, but it was. It's always just been stated as a group of students that were hanging out in the gym the morning after Kendrick had disappeared and they just saw stocks sticking up. Okay, so the next photo it I'll show. Oh, is where the is like actually of the mats in which Kendrick was found, and in this photo Kendrick will have been removed from the mats at this time. But so you can see that the mats are in full view of the entire gym. Yeah, that those are all of the mats that they m well, even if you see it. Okay, so he's six foot tall and relative to hear, yeah, he could probably get up, but it technically throws my theory out, like why didn't he just pick them up, because they're kind of all jammed there? But I don't think so. I think this picture makes it look a lot more condensed than it is. You certainly you could have picked up a mat, like you could if you really wanted to get your shoe. You could have maneuvered yourself in there without much hesitancy and picked up the mad. It might have taken like a little wiggle room, but so I absolutely think he could have picked up the mat. And also, like there is absolutely nothing between the bleachers and the mats, like there is nothing that blocks your vision or that would block your hearing. If he had been inside that Mat, moving around and probably yelling for his life like any normal person would, that would be seen and heard. No, he there's no question. How many shoes did you say we're found? Was it for shoes total? Two Pairs, the two that were in the Mat with him. One at the bottom of the mat, on top of blood, but with no blood actually on it, and one shoe outside of the Mat, right next to it. So it let's just say. Yeah, I know that doesn't make any sense because let's say he was bleeding somehow. Don't understand how he would be bleeding, but if he started bleeding, well, he was bleeding because the blood was his, but there's no way it wouldn't get on the shoe. Yeah, that's the point. That's a problem. How they didn't get on the shoes at all. They only got on the floor and then on top of it. If you look at the shoes from the previous picture, they're in good condition. So this is someone who takes care of them. Why would he just casually throw them? Yeah, I agree. So he would have had to, in my opinions, throw them for one shoe to end up in the middle of the Mat and one outside of it, but for an athlete that loved his shoes. Yeah, why would he just toss them? Yeah, just toss them. That's yeah, I'm thought about that either. That makes a lot of sense. His first off processes and just nose dive into the none of this makes sense. Yeah, it just doesn't. It's set up perfectly for an accident. But when you really, really really sit down and look at the evidence, I just don't see an accident here. I see him being rolled up in the mat and they rolled it as tight as they could with his body being in there, and that's why his body hmm like, you know, because they could. When he's either deceiased your passed out, he's not fighting back, you can...

...roll that up tighter, as tight as you can get it, if you need to. Yeah. So, yeah, I just like to me, theoretically this would seem like the perfect crime, but there's a show that I watched called psych and in it there's an episode where they're talking about the perfect crime and he's talking about how he can't solve it because it was on perfectly and his dad, who's a cop, tells them that there's no such thing as a perfect crime. It's just a perfect cover up. And and when you look at things, I mean obviously the TV show, but if you look at it like this is too well done to look like an accident. Yeah, for sure. So the next picture I have for you, I will let you listeners know. I should have warned will I didn't. But for these next three pictures we're going to discuss, two of them are or were taken after Kendrick had died. So two of them are kind of, at minimum, shocking to look at, at maximum pretty disturbing. So I would absolutely exercise caution. One of the pictures was taken after Kendricks initial autopsy, so it looks like his skin is kind of scrunched up and like something really bad happened to him. Obviously I am of the thought that something did happen to Kendrick, but when you're looking at the photo that was taken post autopsy, it does look the way it does because when they did the autopsy they had to peel some skin on his head back so that they could get to the brain and get to stuff like that, and then it was put back and then the photo was taken. So both will and listeners. That is why one of the photos that comes up most often when you look at Kendra it looks like his forehead is kind of squished and it is because they had to peel skin forward. His forehead didn't look like that after he was found. Is that. Does that happen? From speak seation, from being upside down like that? No, a lot of like I said, his face in this one is very puffy and very squish looking, all because of how his skin was pulled forward. But there is another photo, and I'm going to link both of these photos in the show notes. I will put a warning next to them so you know where you're clicking on. So if you don't want to see photos of an actual dead body, I am warning you. Don't click on them. They are graphic, they are zoomed in. You are going to see a dead boy. So, like, I don't want to sugarcoat that at all. Like, if you do not feel comfortable with that, do not click on these photos. But we'll discuss both of them a little bit. So this one right here is was taken right after he was found. So this is no autopsies have occurred and nothing yet. So this is kind of like that arm, which I believe is his right arm, is above his head. Of course he's unrolled from the map by now, so this isn't exactly how he was situated, but it is pretty close. So yeah, once again we see what looks like his right arm above his head, his left arm at his side. There is blood and I don't really know, nor has ever been really explained, where that blood came from. Like if he asphyxiated, why is he bleeding? You know? Yeah, because that's kind of a lot of blood. No, absolutely. Why is his face Song like inflated? I think that is because he was upside down for a number of hours and so the blood in his body did go all to his head, into his face. So that does make sense to me. But even then I don't think if his blood is all in his head, that it's just going to start seeping out of his skin like like. There is. If you click on the picture, you will see that it's not like a gruesome scene, but there is a good amount of blood. Yeah, so why? What would have where would all what about asphyxia would have made him bleed? HMM, that doesn't make any sense to me. But essentially all that you see in the first photo is you see that, like we've said, his right arm is up by his head. His left arm is at this point resting on his chest, but you can see that it would have been by his side. His eyes are...

...closed. He honestly, if there wasn't blood and if he didn't look the way he looked. Do it almost look like he was sleeping? HMM, the way that he's laid out, but he's still fully clothed. And you know, it's a it's a pretty no, it's it's it's haunting. It's hard to look at. MMM. The second photo of Him Post Autopsy is definitely more difficult to look at. His face does look a lot more bloated and squish but again, that is kind of to be expected because during the autopsy his skin was peeled forward and then put back to where it was so that they could get into the brain. But it's still hard to like, I could absolutely understand if all you see is this picture of so right next to the second picture of kendricks taken after the autopsy, there is a picture of Kendrick just looking normal. So if you just saw the picture of Kendrick looking normal and then the picture that was taken post autopsy and you didn't know that an autopsy had been performed, all you'd heard was that this was an accident and the kid was found dead, you're going to think that NA, that kid was murdered. No, like it is a difficult photo to look at. Gruesome. I don't know if it really tells us anything other than this boy unfortunately met a very tragic fate. I mean, I don't think it tells us anything that the first photo doesn't tell us. And okay, the final photo that I want to show you is a photo of kendricks father trying to fit into the exact same type of Jim Matt that Kendrick would have supposedly slipped into. The exact same diameter. So fourteen inches, and Kendricks dad is roughly the same size as Kendrick, and so you can see that almost the only thing that fits is yeah, as his hat and his shoulders are to us, super, super wide, like way too wide for the hole. There is no way that he slipped in, even it looks like this. I wish that they had also taken pictures with his arms the way that Kendricks were found. But just looking at this photo, even if his arms were one by his head one by his side, I don't see him slipping into the mat. So there's no way exactly. There's just no way. And also with the texture of those mats, the texture is like kind of rough. It's not a texture that would encourage anything slippery or any sort of slide. It would almost prevent you from sliding. So there's just there's so much about this case. Again, I totally see how if you're looking at like, if you just step back and you look at the case as a whole, I can see how it looks like an accident. But when you start really getting into the nitty gritty and to the details, there is just no way this kid slipped and fell into the mat. There's no way, and I am not fully convinced that it was the bell brothers, but this kid did not die by accident. This kid was murdered and he deserves justice as a murder victim. I think we're going to do final thoughts now. We've been talked about a lot of how we feel. But yeah, I just I can't see this being an accident. I just no way, not at all. Too much the lines of or act. No, doesn't line up exact, because you guys really, really really need to look up the photo of the shoe on top of the pool of blood, because where the blood is. There's no way there wouldn't be blood on that shoe. There's no way that she wasn't placed like there's no way. No, there's absolutely because there's literally blood like under the shoe. It's not like the shoe is adjacent to the pool of blood. There is blood under the shoe, bright red blood, but no blood on on the shoe, which is just like. I just too many little things in this case do not make any sense. So I know that there are gofundmemes and Changeog petitions that have been...

...recently revamped and started to assist and helped Kendricks family. I will absolutely be linking those. I encourage you all to do your own research on this case. Obviously this is a very controversial one, but I just do not see this one being an accident. I absolutely see this one as being a murder. Not Definitely. I will also I'm gonna go ahead and link the article that I linked in last week's episode, or earlier this week, I remember, but in my last episode. That is over a hundred ways that you can donate to the black lives matter movement. I know that hasn't been in the headlines as much but is still just as important. About and again, that'll take you two places you can donate to, like community bail funds. It's a different petitions you can sign for. I know there's a gofundme link for Brianna Taylor's family in there. I believe there's a gofundme link for Kendrick Johnson's family as well. The only reason I say I believe is because it is updated almost daily, so there are different petitions and organizations being added, maybe being taken off, but please talk that out. Please donate where you can, please sign petitions when you can, especially because that is absolutely free and it makes so much more of a difference than I think any of US realize. Thank you so so much. Will you are my favorite person to have on the show. I'm not quite about that. I love, well, love having him on here. I think he brings just the right energy. As always. You can find me on instagram and twitter at lock the door pod. I have a gmail account at lock the door pod at gmailcom. If you want to email me tell me about any theories you have, any case suggestions or if you just want to say hi, I always welcome that. We have a facebook page as well. Did you lock the door and? Yeah, I think that's it. So yeah, please reach out to me literally anything. If you want to say literally anything to me, I will respond. I promise I am bored at home. We're still quarantining over here or practicing social distancing, and I'm bored. So absolutely please reach out. Thank you, so, so so much for listening. It means the absolute world and, as always, make sure you lock your doors. I.

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