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Episode 17 · 1 year ago

The Bizarre Murder of Judy Smith

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Hi Ande welcome back to it. Did youlock the door, the PODCAST, I'm your host Payton Reece and I once again havea very special guest with me today, who you guys might remember from my done.Sims episode, my mom hello, it's so nice to be here again, it's sonice to have you again, I'm so excited this case has just as if not moreshocking a twist. So I'm super excited to get your reaction to that. I thinkyou'll be pretty baffled. I was pretty baffled when I first heard about thisone. It's like it comes out of nowhere. It's reallyjust insane insane and I'm so excited to bring it to you guys to listeners.If you've heard of this one you'll know why I think it's so crazy and if youhaven't fuckle up because wow. So today we are going to be talkingabout the disappearance and death of Judy Smith. Judy was born, Judith, Lois,L Ridge in one thousand nine hundred and forty six to working class parentsliving in Orleans Massachusetts, which was a small beach side town near CapeCod. She was one of three children. The onlygirl she had both an older brother and a twin brother and the names of none ofher family members are available anywhere online that I could findbecause, as she grew older, she would just kindof grow apart from all of them, so they were never really involved in thesearches or any media uncoverage that would ensue. They aren't superrelevantto this case. Sadly, so yeah none of their names are out there just didn'twant you guys to think I was purposefully, leaving them out for noreason or something they're. Just not available judy would marry her firsthusband right after graduating high school. However, the marriage wouldcome to a tragic ends when he fled to Sweden in order to avoid being draftedand sent off to fight in the Vietnam War. He abandoned judy without evenmentioning to her his plans, and she was left alone with no idea where herfirst husband went. I did see it reported somewhere that she traveled toEurope to try and find him which kind of insinuates that she had some ideawhere he went, but I didn't see that confirmed in any reputable news sources.I don't know if that's true or just something that got added over time now,all alone judy found a job exercising horses at a thoroughbred track, whichsounds so fun. She found herself getting along, particularly well with afellow employee named Charles Bradford. The two grew more and more smitten bythe day and before long judy would once again find herself married. The couplewould have two children together, Craig and Amy Bradford craid came first andamy was born just two years later, not long after this. Sadly, theirrelationship would begin to dissolve judy would once again be a single woman.This time around, however, her exhusband had not just abandoned her.He had abandoned their two children, crag and amy as well. Judy was nowfaced forh the challenge of raising two young children all alone, somethingthat is known about: Judy's parents deslike. What little is out there isthat they had owned a diner and she grownd up watching them, pour theirblood, sweat and tears into it. Every single day, seeing her parents work sohard to previde what they could for her and her brothers had seemingly inspiredan incredible work ethic inside of her. She was bound and determined to make agood life for herself and, more importantly, for CRAG and amy husbandor no husband, Judy worked to put herself through nursing school, and shedid so will being a full time single mother, her two kids. Whenever theytalk about their mom, Craig and amy, are always sure to mention how involvedshe was in their lives and how she always made sure they were having fun when Judy really needed to study at atime when the kids weren't in school judy would take them to the movies andsit in the car studying while they went off and enjoyd themselves, neverwanting them to be bored, but just so sweet an Atis. That seems like something you would doyeah at least knowing where they are yeah ennot wanting them to feel. Like they're missing out because she's trying tobetter herself MM and obviously very responsible- I mean it's not like, notthat this makes you an irresponsible parent, but she stayed at the movietheater in the parking lot. She didn't like drop them off and go home like shemade sure she was there and they were safe at all times after she finishednursing, School Judi almost immediately...

...began working up to seventy hours aweek as a nurse. While this did mean less time with her children. It alsomeant that she had more money to provide for them and for herself thanever before, she was even able to move the three of them all into a house inMission Hill, which is a beautiful area Boston. I lookd at pictures of it andit's gorgeous, I'm not sure exactly what part of Massachusetts they wereliving in before, but no matter where it was. This was definitely an upgradeand it is beautiful. Eventually, Judy would be hired by a man named JeffreySmith to be an at home nurse for his father, who was recovering from asurgery he had undergone to get a tumor removed from his throat. Jeffrey was a Harvard graduate and alawyer that workd for the Northeast Pharmaceutical Group, an organizationof researchers and medical professionals based in New England withthis job Jeffrey, had some insight into the world of a medical professional andwas able to relate to judy. In this way they would often find themselvestalking and laughing Hild Judy was caring for Jeffrey's, Father Jeffreyhad also been divorced previously, and he had a daughter who coincidentlly wasalso named Judith Judy for short the two bonded over these things and gotalong better and better every day. Jeffrey knew that Judy was someone hewas interested in pursuing romantically when Judy realizing that she did nothave a proper holder for his father's ivy drip bag, maneuver to Curtin Rod tohold it up instead. Jeffrey was endlessly impressed by herresourcefulness and smitten by the amount of care and concern she showedfor his father, and I don't blame him that is so sweet and very resourceful.A very smart woman, once Jeffrey's father had recovered to the point wherehe no longer needed an inhome nurse Jeffrey officially asked Judy out on adate, the two had a mutual love of theater, so Jeffrey decided to takejudy to see a local theater performance for their first date. Well, a good timewas had by both parties, the two decided to take things slow, bothhaving been divorced in the past. They didn't want this relationship to gettoo intense too fast and end up crashing and burning. They wouldactually date for seven years before moving in together and it would beanother three years before Jeffrey brought up the idea of marriage. THAT'S UNUSUAL INTE! Well, this was notin today's world. This is back in th S, een, seven years, that's m. his a longtimehseveral of Judy's friends would report that she was actually quitehesinant about the idea of marriage. She knew she loved Jeffrey, very much,but with two failed marriages already under her belt. She didn't know if shewas ready to get married again or if she even wanted you at all. Eventually.She did decide, however, that she was ready to give it another. Try andJeffrey's mother was so elated by this news so happy to find her son onceagain in love that she agreed to pay for the whole thing. The two woud wedin September, one Thousad, nine hundred and ninety six less than one year laterin APRI, one thousand nine hundred and ninety seven judy and Geffrey werepreparing to travel to Philadelphia Pennsylvania to attend the annualNortheast Pharmaceutical Conference. Jeffrey attended this conference everyyear and representation of his company. The conference would last only two daysfrom April ninth to April eleventh and after this, the couple were planning totravel to New Jersey to visit some mutual friends for a couple of days, wile at the conference, the plan wasfor Judy to explore Philadelphia by herself during the day and after theconference activity is concluded each night Jeffrey Roeljoined, her. So thetwo could explore the city together and spend quality time together. This wasactually going to be Judy's first time in Philadelphia, so she was reportedlyvery excited to see all f the sites and attractions the city had to offer,especially the Liberty Bell. She couldn't stop talking about that. The couple arrives to the LoganInternational Airport in Boston in the very early morning, hours of April,ninth ready and excited to depart for Philadelphia when it came time to go throughsecurity. However, Judy would discover that she had forgotten her driver'slicense, which she would need to get through security and onto the flightapologizing profusely to Jeffrey and not wanting to make him late to hisconference. She told him that she would go home and get her license and try andcatch a later flight, but that he should go ahead after some convincingJeffrey agreed and he and Judy would reunite at ten pm that evening, in thelobby of the Double Tree Hotel that they were staying at the same hotel inwhich the conference was being held, they would head up to their room orderpizza from room service and go to sleep excited for the day to start tomorrow,Ye that's what did happen or that's what they planned to have happened.That's what did happen and, of course this is all according to Jeffrey, butwitness sightings would put judy at the hotel. She arrived between nine thirtyand ten PM, but most sources say ten pm,...

...but she did arrive that day. Jeffreywas seen arriving earlier. He was seen attending the conference that day or sothis holds up pretty well and actually back. Then this was NineyIG Seven. You could actually still board a planewith the driver's license. Oh really, yes, they, the security guards, couldlight you on through and Ahe airport. Push now would let you on through, if they wanted to. So when I was firstlooking into this case. I knew it was a missing person case right off the bat.So what I read that she had forgotten her license and was leaving to get it.I was like. Oh, he killed her. She never got to the airport like there'sno way, but no that's not at all what happened she made it safely toPhiladelphia, no problems there. So the next morning April, tenth Jeffrey, wasthe first to wake up. He gently woke up Judy and the two made plans to meetback at their room around five thirty pm that evening and get ready togetherto attend a cocktail party being hosted by the hotel. Jeffrey then went down tothe lobby to get breakfast and head to the conference and Judy stepped intothe shower, getting ready for her first day of exploring, and today was the dayshe was going to be seeing the Liberty Bell. So she was really excited aboutthe day when five thirty came that evening and Jeffrey got back to theirhotel room. It only took him a couple seconds to realize that judy was notthere after waiting for a few minutes. Heassumes that there was probably just some miscommunication and that judy hadgone ahead to the cocktail party and was waiting for him. There Jeffreyheaded down to the Party and walked around looking for Judy. It took himonly mere minutes to realize that she wasn't there either. He once again wentback up to their room, hoping that she was just running late and at this timehe would find her there getting ready. He waited back up in the room untilabout six fifteen, and then he gave into that nagging feeling that had kindof been creeping up from the moment. He didn't find her in their room thatsomething was probably wrong. He went back down to the hotel lobby and toldone of the employees that his wife had not returned to their hotel room,despite the two having plans to attend the cocktail party together, the concierge thinking that perhapsjudy had been injured well out and about that day called around to all ofthe hospitals in the area to see if a Judy Smith had been admitted to any ofthem. A Judy Smith had not Jeffrey was growing more and more panicked at thispoint, and he called Craig Amy and some of the couples friends to see if any ofthem had heard from Judy when he had called everyone he could think of, andnone of them had heard from his wife. He decided to hal a cab and drive theroute of a tour bust. He Knew Judy had ridden that day. At this point, hereally did know in his gut that his wife would not have missed theircocktail party plans without telling him unless something bad had happened,but he really was trying not to assume the worst yet hoping he would just findher out and about in the city, just not having realized how late it was. Ye would be so hard not being from thetown, and I mean he was smart to at least try that m that he knew one ofthe torce he was going on. That's a good place to begin, because otherwise,where would you even start? I know such a big city just hang out at the LibertyBell. He wasn't able to find her, however, in his cab right around thecity and he finally gave into his gut feeling and marched right down to thepolice station. This is an adult that has gone missing, so I'm sure all ofyou, Tho crime fans, know the response he's about to get the police told him that it was far tooearly to take any action. Yet Judy was an adult with every right not to returnto the hotel and was probably just out and about having fun exploring the city. He was told he should wait twenty fourhours before filing a report and that the police would see him tomorrow. An Te were new cell phones really mmDing, not tellin or very few of them, so that wasn't something you coulddepend on Jeffrey, went back to the hotel room, feeling pretty defeated andtried to get some sleep that night. But of course he couldn't first thing. Thenext morning a lightbulb actually went off in Jeffrey's head. He rememberedthat there were some pretty powerful Philadelphia officials also inattendance at the conference, and he tracked down the mayor at the time EdRendel and a member of the Pennsylvania House of Representatives, John Prusell.He talked to each man and explained his situation, and they each assured himthat they would talk to the police. Jeffrey later stated that he was sureeach man kept their word, because when he returned to the police station laterthat morning, several officers were waiting for him ready and willing totake a statement assuring them that they would get right to work and startlooking into the disappearance. Wow good for him M, very smart move andvery lucky to be in the position that he was in because so many people with...

I mean so many people when the policeare like. Oh, it's just to run away or they're an adult theyare very right tobe missing, can't just go to the Mayord, the police Li. All accounts did fromhere and ou start taking the case very seriously. Unfortunately, however, thatdid mean looking into Jeffrey first and foremost as we tru crime fans know moreoften than not. When someone disappears, then they have a romantic partner thatromantic partner usually knows more than they initially want to, let on itdidn't help in the eyes of the police that Jeffrey refused to take apolygraph test. I don't think this is too suspicious. However, becauseremember Jeffrey was a lawyer. Therefore, you probably knew that ifyou passed the polygraph, it wouldn't be admissible in courts and thereforewould do nothing to help him and if he failed, it would just make the policelook at him further and he knew he had nothing to do with this. So it's aloseloose situation either way. After learning from Geoffrey that Judy hadflown into Philadelphia separately from him, they began to question whether shehad even made it to the conference at all. They headed to the hotel andcollected witness testimony speaking with several employees and conferenceattendes, almost all of whom reported seeing Judy at the hotel. So after thisthey were able to pretty much confirm that she had been there. It definitely was his wife Juty andthat his donergy- yes, I didn't even think of that. But yes, I don't thinkthey looked alike and yeah philadelphiaa newspapers and newstations reported on Judy's disappearance, resulting in severalwitnesses reaching out to the police to report that they believed they had seenher one witness would say that they had seen Judy right outside the double tree.She was staying at chasing a piece of paper and that had been the morning ofApril tenth. Another call reported that, while shopping at macy's the afternoonof April tenth, a woman matching Judy's description had come up and startedtalking to them about metopaus. This interaction stood out to the witness,because she thought that it was a very odd thing for a complete stranger tojust spring up, and I agree that is, and an employee t. The same macy isreported talking to a woman around the same time that match dudy's description,saying the woman said she was shopping for her daughter and commented that shewas unsure what to buy, because her daughter often didn't like the style ofclothes that she bought for her amy, who was judy's daughter, was able toconfirm that this did happen pretty regularly with her mom and definitelysounded like something she would say. There were several reported sightingsof Judy at Pen's landing, which is the waterfront area in the city center ofPhiladelphia that sits on the edge of the Delaware River, also a very prettyarea. After investigating these sightings, however, the police wereable to conclude that the woman being seen was probably a homeless woman thatoften hung out in the area and match Judy's description almost perfectlyreportedly, when Craig who was Judy's son came to Philadelphia just a coupledays after she disappeared to help him the search he saw. The homeless womanfrom across the street, and until he was right in front of her, wasabsolutely sure that it was his mom. Oh Gosh, you know it's so sad. A zeboltree hotel employee said thatshe believed Judy had spoken to her the morning of the tenth making small talkand asking where she should wait on the tour bust. She was to be getting on.She also reportedly was seen entering and leaving the city's Greyhound Bustterminal. The particular terminal that she was seen at is known for it'sfairly large selection of Chinese and Thai Food Restaurants, both of whichjudy was quite fond of very good taste. I love both of thoseRestauran so much. None of the restaurants, however, reported servinganyone that matched Judy's description. Sitings of a woman that appeared to beJudy also came from Easton Pennsylvania, a city fifty five miles north ofPhiladelphia. The woman was seen outside a grocerystore and was reported to have been alone, the sitings that were reportedby the double tree employee. That said that she asked about the Torbus, notthe one. That said they saw her chasing a piece of paper and the sitingsreported by the people at the Greyhound Terminal and the sitings reported bythe people from Easton Pennsylvania are considered by investigators to be quitecredible due to the fact that all of the people that said they saw her,mentioned that the woman was wearing a red backpack not only had Yud been wearing a redbackpack when she left the hotel. That morning, this backpack was consideredby Judy to be one of her prize posessions. She hardly ever wentanywhere without it, especially when travelling she loved the backpack. Somuch in fact that she called it the quote red, wonder and Glo an more than twenty years ago, thereweren't caberas on every corner in every grocery story. Things like thewere today. Even the Liberty Vallt, you know if they were to check suhe evermade it. It probably wasn't any kind of camera there to to tell whether she ever made it thee ornot. Jerry would stay in Philadelphia fortwo weeks following Judy's...

...disappearance spending every wakingmoment searching for her. Eventually, however, he did have tomake the difficult decision to return home to his in Judio's families andback to his life in Massachusetts. Before leaving he would hire a Pi or aprivate investigator to continue his search. He had faith in the police,knowing that they were still facing pressure from Ed Rendall and JohnPraszel, but he wanted to make sure that everything possible was being done,define to the love of his life. Almost everyone from the police to Judy'sfamily were baffled by her disappearance, while friends of her isnew, she had been questioning whether or not to marry Jeffrey only a fewmonths ago. They didn't believe that she would disappear without telling herchildren that she was okay. Jeffrey didn't believe that she would have lefthim without a word, but he knew for a fact that she would never haveabandoned her children and left them to worry like they were worrying. Hebrought up the idea of a possible mental break that was preventing Judyfrom knowing where she was or possibly even who she was. However, Judy had hada physical just two weeks prior and she was deemed one hundred percent healthy.This, coupled with the fact that she had no known personal or family historyof mental illness made the mental break theories seem pretty unlikely in a statement to the media, Judi'sdaughter, amy, stated quote rationally. I know something must have happened toher, but I try to think that she left on her own D, She's. Okay, even thoughI know she wouldn't do that, but I try to think she did, because this helps mypeace of mind and quote kin get a sweten. Did she? No, I don't think so. Sadly, just one week following amysstatement and one year since Judy and Jeffrey tied the knot, so in September,one thousand nine hundre ndninety seven everyone's worst fearis to be realized. Two men were hunting in the very remotepisgone national forest in North Carolina when they came across whatappeared to be human remains wrapped in a blanket and buried in a very shallowgrave, the immediately alerted authorities andupon the arrival of the police, they discovered that they were in fact tumanremains and nearby. They found a blue and black backpack Judy's wedding ringextensive looking sunglasses and a hundred and sixty seven doars in cash esh on the Ron, Bat Ihave, no idea. Ohmy Gosh, Judy's beloved red backpack, wasnowhere to be found. The fact that Judy's wedding ring was left along withso much cash indicated to the police. That robbery had not been a motive forthis crime. Also of significance was the fact thatAbra was found on the skeleton and the leg bones were still clod in jeans andthermal underwear and the skeleton was wearing hiking boots. WW, an employee of the Medical ExaminersOffice that the remains were sent to just happened, to be aware of Judy'sdisappearance and on a whim. They alerted Philadelphia authorities andset for Judy's dental records. The dental records would come back as amatch confirming once and for all that Judy Smith's remains had been foundover five hundred miles from where she had disappeared wearing clothing thatdid not belong to her with belongings in her possession that to everyone'sknowledge, did not belong to her either. Although she had been seen tat, theMals shopping that masee is YEP, so so weird right, five hundred miles wayover five hundred miles away. This discovery was obviously absolutelybaffling to friends, family and investigators. was there aningreference from her husband that she typically carried a large mal of cashwith her no, but he did confirm that she had had about two hundred dollarson her the morning of April tent. So this did line up with a one hundred andsixty seven dollars found, and she couldn't have gotten ma the ticket of any kind from Philadelphia to North Carolina, afferthirty somewhat dollars. So she could have had more cash than hethought, or someone else could have helped her. I don't know this case iscrazy from here ond out insane. The discovery was absolutely bafflingfriends, family and investigators alike. Well, there have been sightings of Judyat bus stations and in Easton, as we said, there was absolutely no reasonfor her to have wound up in North Carolina that anyone could think of additionally judy had arthritis in herknees and the area of the Pisgon national forest that she was found in.It was both elevated and notoriously hard to navigate, meaning that, despiteher bad knees had she gone here of her...

...own accord, judy would have had to walkuphill across pretty harsh terrain. Judis remains were also fullyskeletonized at the time she was found, however, wounds on the Bra that she waswearing led investigators to believe that she had been stabbed to death really mm this, along with the factthat the body had been wrapped in a blanket and buried made it a hundredpercent clear to detectives that they were dealing with the murder yeah. None of the min was Ben, seen orher diamond wedding ring. That's puzzling mm when yew spread about the discovery ofJuju's remains police would get calls from various people living in areassurrounding the Pisgon national forest. That believed they had seen judy priorto her murder, a clerk at a local retail store reported that she'd seenJudy shopping just a few days after she was reported missing. The woman saidquote: She seemed very alert to me. She was very pleasant. I didn't seeanything about her. That would indicate that she wasn't right in any way andquote this. Woman also reported that Judy orthe person she believed to be Judy told her that she was married to a Bostonlawyer that was attending a conference in Philadelphia and that she haddecided she needed to get away for a couple days while her husband was busy. Oh, my Gosh, I know an employee at a place called thebuiltmore estate and Ashville North Carolina also reported seeing Judy. Hestated that she drove up in a gray sedan that appeared to be filled withluggage and asked if she could spend the night in the parking lot in her car.The man told her she couldn't and reported that she drove away withoutanother word: a woman that owned a Deli near the builtmore state, where Judyhad reportedly been seen, also said that a woman matching her descriptioncame in and purchased thirty dollars worth of food and a toy truck did her husband or the police mentionanything about these charges being on any later credit card records. I don'tsee anything said about credit cards at all, even briefly mentioned in any ofthe news reports, or anything that I read on this case. So I don't think so.She would have had to be using cash. Yes, but she had a Grac at an. I know Irented a car. I know I don't know how she got that car. She didn't have agrace tat, an no one. They knew how to grace it an so it's insane. Please have since publicly stated thatthey believe these sitings to be credible, and if these sitings were infact duty I mean they only served to raise more questions, as we just said.First of all, where did she get that car? Who did it belong to? Did she rentit? Did she have enough cash to rent it that her husband just had no idea about?Did someone give it toher? Did she steal it? I mean: Where did she get that car andwe know that Judy was murdered, yet she was always reported to be travelingalone. She was never seen with anyone else. Additionally, why did she go toNorth Carolina without alerting any friends or family? I mean, even if shedid want a break from her marriage, she would think she would at least tell herchildren- and I mean, even when Jeffrey called her kids. If her kids had knownthat she wanted a break, they could have been like. Oh No, we didn't seeher, but they would tell the police if they knew she was planning to go away.I know yes e, so so why would she not tell her kids?That makes the least amount of sense to me honestly that in the car another reason anytime we're going todo anything tell at least one person? Yes, oh my gosh and the stanmark ar mystery.I would have really thought that she had had a met mental break of some kindand took a bus and ended up. You know hiking in the forest and somehow just meant her deminds SBENT.The STAP mark certainly prove that wrong. So wow, please have publicly stated that theybelieve the backtack and sunglasses found near Judy's body belonge to thekiller. I didn't see anywhere whether they weremen, sunglasses or women's Sunclasses, just that they appeared to be veryexpensive and if they have any other evidence,they feel might help them catch. The perpetrator, they've kept it tothemselves, were now twenty three years after JudySmith's murder and her case continues to baffle police, family and friendsand websluice. Like so yeah like I said, a crazy one, because what no Carolina Huso, let's see, doest the appalachion.How far up does the AMPLACIAN trail go? I don't know let Meu see it goes fromthe very top of Georgia to Maine okay, but I mean she was seen at so many busstations and at stores and S- and I...

...just don't she to be fully skeletonized. She wasmurdered pretty quickly after she went missing and she had arthritis and herknees. So she, I really don't think she would have hiped the Appalachan trail. Haw Far is the PISCA forest from theBilt Moreta. It was on the property of the forest and really close to whereher body was found. So now I ge we'll get into theories. So the first one, ofcourse, is her husband, Jeffrey Smith. The first person of interest whensomeone disappears or is murdered, like we said, is always their partner. Well.Jeffrey would always claim that he and Judy were very much in love and thattheir marriage was going strong. Several friends of Judies did comeforward with claims that the marriage was strained and that judy was yearningfor a break. One friend named Caroline Dicky, eventold unsolved, mysteries quotes. I believe that something did happen thattriggered her to want to have some time away from Jeff and quote, despite the claims that the marriagewas not exactly a super happy one judy's, friends and family all stood bythe fact that they did not believe Jeffrey would ever do anything to harmJudy stating that they knew he loved her very much and didn't think him tobe a violent man. They just knew that Judy wasn't as happy in the marriage ashe was. The police did take a long and hard look at Jeffrey rightfully so,however, several factors allowed them to rule him out. First and foremost, of course, therewas all the people that testified to his character and the fact that Jeffrey almostinstantly raised alarm bells when he discovered that Judy was missing. Imean he got back to his Otel Room around five thirty and he and the hotelconsierge were calling hospitals by six fifteen. On top of this, witnesstestimony was able to corroborate the facts that he had gone down tobreakfast when he said he had the morning of April tenth and that he hadattended. All the conference events that he said he had that day. It wasalso confirmed that judy had left the hotel and had embarked on the bus TOR.She had scheduled with no Geffrey in sight. The place that Judy's body was foundalso helped to eliminate Jeffrey from the suspect list. The pisgon nationalforest is known for Patches of rough terrain, as Ie said, especially thearea where Judy was found even of Jeffreys whereabouts. Hadn't beenaccounted for. The police felt that it was pretty unlikely that he would havebeen able to hike to the area where her body was Jeffrey, wasn't exactly in the best ofshape. Police have actually been quoted as calling him morbidly obese, nor washe at all an experienced tyger. So despite statistics that statedotherwise, police felt confident that Judy Smith's husband was not theirperpetrator. Sadly, Jeffrey Smith would pass away in two thousand and five, dueto unnamed health complications, never discovering what had happened to hiswife that led to her gruesome and undeserved murder. I can't help, but thinking erbut thinkthat between the time she was told. No, youcan't sleep here. You know in the parking lot of the biltmore something happened after that point.You know that she trying to find someplace to stay or just pulled off somewhere and slept inher car and someone broke in or attackd tor at thatpoint, especially being that close to the Pisco Forest Wow. I know it's just o Rouno and the fact I mean was she wearing that hiking gear in her car,and someone happened upon her, and I mean I well say this for later theoriesI'll. I get that out, not what you said, but when I said so. Our Second Theoryis Gary Michael Hilton, Gary Michael Hilton is an infamous American serialkiller, known for stocking hiking trails in Florida, Georgia and NorthCarolina from two thousand and five to two thousand and eight two of his victims. John and IreneBryant, were actually found in the PISCA national forest, not far at allfrom where Judy's body was located. This couple, however, was not murdereduntil two thousand and seven and his murders didn't start until two thousandand five that we know of his victims did all meet gruesamens. However, allbeaten and or stabs to death and dismembered and in some cases,decapitated, post mortem, so she was filld in pretty good condition comparedto hat. He would typically do yes, but I do have a theory about that because,while I said his confirme murders didn't start until two thousand andfive, he is the leaves to have been in the area where Judy was found at thetime of her death, and we all know all of us crime junkies know that Cyrilkillers do tend sometimes at least to...

...get more brutal. The higher their bodycount gets. I mean we know that Judy was neither dismembered nor decapitated,but she was brutally stabbed to death and that part does Fit Hilton's Mo,along with the fact that she was found along a hiking trail in the same forestthat two of his later victims would eventually be found if he had committed a murder as earlyin thousand nine hundred and ninety seven. Perhaps he was too nervous totake the time to brutalize her body following her death, I mean, maybe he was so afraid of beingcaught, that he just dug a really shallow grave and wrapped her in ablanket and Ram. Maybe see I hate that people like that havejust taken all the joy out of. I know him and Israel keys I'll, never gohiking, again, Oen being adventurous and and taking the Rord less traveled,because I used to do that. I used to just get in my car and drive to themountains for the weekend, or, if it was, you know, supposed to be beautiful,leaves went in search of leaves and hiked and never ever gave it any concern. You know for fear of my life,and now I think, oh, my gosh was I that naive. Obviously, I lok something that also corroborates. Thefact that it could very well have been Hilton is the fact that his firstvictim Rusanna Milani was seen in his company inside of a general store inBryson City, North Carolina prior to him, taking her into the woods andending her life. Maybe Hilton came across Judy in a store or parking lotor on the side of the road whill. She was sleeping, like you said, and wassomehow able to overpower her and bring her into the forest, or perhaps Judyhad just made the very out of character, decision to take a hike and had beenunlucky enough to cross pats with him in January of two thousand and eightHilton would plead guilty to the murder of a young woman named Meredith Emerson,who was actually his final victim shortly after this. However, he wouldbe linked to the murders of the briants and to a woman named Sheryl Dunlap and while for the murder of MeredithEmerson, he had been sentenced to life in prison, with the possibility ofParol in thirty years, his being linked to the rest of his murders, tossed outall possibility of him ever being a freeman again, thankfully, no pearolefor him, while it's been suspected by police and web sluice, the like thatHilton May, in fact be responsible for the murder of Judy Smith. Hilton hasnever once claimed his involvement and he did plead guilty to his first murderand he has admitted to all of his others, so I mean when Le could berelishing and the fact that he has one that the police don't know about, andit's causing pain to Judy's family. He seems like one. That is not afraid totake credit, so I do find it odd that if he's responsible, he hasn't saidanything and also this pretty much confirms for me thatthere wasn't DNA left behind at the scene, because they would havedefinitively been able to say by now yes or no Gary Hilton. If there waswhich sucks, because did they ever ask him a in deny yet or I don't know if they've asked him,tbut police have stated that they've looked at him as a suspex but haven'tbeen able to confirm or deny it. So I assume they've asked him and they'vetried to look into it and they just don't know. The next theory is someoneknown to Judy, but not o anyone else. I mean based on the fact that policeconsider the sitings of Judy by herself in North Carolina, it's be credible andthat at least one of the witnesses said she seemed to be totally mentallycompetent and even talking about her husband, it save to assume they believeshe travelled there of her own accord. She had no known connections to thearea and, if her family and friends do know of anyone, she might have known inNorth Carolina that information has not been released publicly. Some web sluths,however, have theorizes that judy had a friend or maybe even a secret lover inthe area that was totally unknown to anyone else in her life and that sheplannd either a short getaway with this person or to permanently run away withthem. Maybe this person should they exist wasso in love with Judy that when she plans this, not so permanent getawayand they knew that she would be going back to her husband. They were jealousenough of Jeffreys to end judy's life. I meanthat's kind of the only thing if it was someone she knew that's kind of theonly situation that makes sense to me yeah, but again you would think therewould be evidence of her communicating with someone in North Carolina, or atleast one person in her life would know about it. Someone who lived...

...wherever she got that Greay carlireally who's car, because I every time I see that Grace Edan mentioned Imean there's, never any mention of her renting it or where she got it at all.I've, no idea where she got that car. That is the one of the weirdest I meanso much about this case is weird, but where dods she get that car, you don'tjust get a car. Yes, because the Shen someon who had lender car to gosomewhere and then they thought you know they wanted to catch up with her and spend some timewith her yeah ormaybe. They took the drive with herand just never went into any stores with her and never poked their head outof the window. Like so weird, where did she get that car? Ifeel like that is the key to this whole nw thing where dids she get that carand it might very well not being hat because it's Sch a an unknown, but youwould think I mean at the very least, even if she rented it with cash.Someone would have come forward and been like, Oh yeah, a blond woman,fitting that exact description, rented a gray, Sadam Nope, no idea where she got the car, and thatis so weird and it drives me insane anyway. The last theory is someone thatwas unknown to judy because, unfortunately- and very strangely itdoes look like she travels to North Carolina of her own accord. She wasalways seen alone, never in the company of anyone else, so it's possible, maybe even likely thatshe did decide. She needed a break from Jeffrey and just didn't. Tell anyoneelse, including her kids, because she was worried. They would tell him whereshe went. It would have been out of character for her, but maybe she justdidn't know how treacherous hiking and the Pisgan national forest would be,and she decided that, despite her bad knees, she was going to go for a littleadventure and take a hike and then just ment someone who thought they would start their murderspree with her mm or just an Israel keys that we don't know aboutyet or when we do know about, and it hasn't been linked to her. I don'tthink it was Israel keys, he's just the one I think of when I think of like therandom scare, the most random scariest killings, because he, if you know himyou'll, know what I mean he's terrifying, but yeah I mean she was wearing hiking boots andthermal underwear and jeames, though shew's rearing, who goes hiking andjeans like it's so weird. She had hiking boots and jeans. I wunt wirged.I mean that's just odd. I mean it's especially because she wasn't verylimber and she had bad knees. You would think she would want pants that wouldallow her to move around as much as possible. Jans are pretty flexible, sometimessometimes they're. not, though, that you want to be protected, you want themto be struigty enough that if you're probby nut against rock or trees orwhatever that they're not going to tear, I guess I think a lot of people hike and Jeansentually, okay sure I'll give into that one. But it's just. I can't thinkof any reason why she was there in the first place, why she was in the mountains, hiking and asuper treacherous air. I mean, I think someone had to have convinced her to gothere with them or forced her to go there with them, because they just Imean if she had done that, made that decision all by herself. You wouldthink that she would get to a certain point and be like I can't do this, I'mnot built for this and turn around. I think she did leave of her own accordas sad as that is. I can't fathom a reason why she wouldn't tell her kids,but it sounds like police are pretty sure that the people that saw her inNorth Carolina really did see her and she seemed fine, happy competent, notin danger, so it seems like she did travel there on her own. Who knows howshe got that callar? Who knows why she was there? Who knows why she was in theforest? Do you have any other thoughts, though I mean this is just baffling tome. They have a side from Gary Michael Hilton. They have no suspects thatthey've ever publicly mentioned and he looks kind of promising, not really after all this time you know, perhapsif further testing could be done on cocases Yor may be. You discoveriesthat they'd be able to tell that we're not available at that time.You know twenty three years ago or so, but no that I think, like you, that Ithat Greay car, I think, has something to do with that whos car, because I can't imagine herif she was truly competent and totally in herright mind. I can't imagine her stealing a car. Okay, let's say...

...she did plan this from the GITGO. She forgot her license on purpose, so I'm not going to fly with you. Iwill meet you there, so she meets up with some. One elsetravels with that person in a Greay car for the airplane or whatever, and youknow they leave together that next morning after sheleaves her husband, Trunos she's, not seen with anyone ever,but I mean it's very possible that at all started with her forgetting herlicense on purpose. True, maybe she had had those hiking clothes and belongingsthat didn't seem to be hers, hidden away at home and she forgot her licenceand then packed more stuff in her bag. Maybe the sightings of her at the busstations and stuff were just stops to use the restroom or something, but Iwould just think that unless her and this person thought far enough ahead to never be seen in the company of eachother like not go to that Deli together, not have the person be sitting up inthe passenger seat when she pulled into the bilt more to ask if she could spendthe night there like. That is yeah, and I would think if you're with someoneelse, you're not going to ask to spend the light in a parking lot. You know somehow I think the two of youtogether would get enough money to find even an an expensive hotel, asleepin or something but yeah. I just something she would have done that it's just so odt why North Carolina,whose car was she going to meet someone? was she already with someone? DidSomeone Stumble upon her? I mean thereare, so many possibilities. Maybeshe had no place to go that night, so she left the car there even or just started walking into the forestfrom there when she was told now you can't sleep here maybe, but that wouldbe so odd. I just think not a super athleticperson. I wouldn't spend the night in the forest and I I'm pretty, I think I'd be fine hiking,but absolutely not what I spend the night alone in AF fourse, and I mean Iknow, one thousand nine hundred and ninety seven people weren't. No,actually, I would say that someone, especially a woman alone at this time,would be scared of cerial killers, because this is, after the time ofBundy rigt and of Domer Stilli mean I think, of all the trips I took bymyself. Just getting in my car last minute, saying I'm Goin to drive to North Carolina, I wing to see theleaves never ever gave it a thought ever so yeah I mean I think we can agree thatshe made the decision to go. There is just Wa she meeting someone whose car wasshe driving. Why did someone report? The car was filled with luggage. Whywas she in the forest whose clothes was she wearing? Were they hers? Why was she murdered like nothing was taken, hear big diamond wedding ring from her richlawyer. Husband was still in her finger. His have to be the thoughts that kepthim awake at night or his children, which is so sad, yeahso sad. This caseis so sad and crazy and, like I said, the fact that they haven't been able toconfirm or deny Gary Michael Hilton's involvement makes me think that theydon't have DNA or the DNA sample. They do have isn't big enough or sufficientenough to be tested with the technology that we have even today, and so sadly,I think this case is going to stay unsolvedunless the right person calls in a tip or confessevs or the police get a breakthat they just really aren't expecting,because so many questions that just don't haveanswers and it seems like so little evidence left behind it. The scene,okay, listeners, if you all know anything anything that you think is evenunimportant. Please speak up and give her children some peace of mind. Nothing could be worse than not knowingwhat's happened to your loved one definitely, and I think you could alertthe Philadelphia Police Department, the Boston Police Department or theAshville North Carolina Police Department, all of whom seem to beactively working together on this case. It doesn't appear to be colds, but it doesn't look like they have anything,that's going to help them solve this either. So it's a really sad one, areally crazy one. If you even think you have the slightest idea of anything.Please just let someone know this is so sad. This is so wild. I can't imaginebeing her daughter and...

...having this happen, I mean that's justso insane I mean if we are saddened and angered by all the questions. Yeah,like you said I can't imagine, being a family member or a friend, this is justchildren have to be think mom. What were you doing? This is really a crazy one. Thank youso so much for joining me, mom, so excited to have you back hopelly'll.Have you on again soon? Thank you for having me this was very intriguing.Thank you, of course, for sharing this information with Tus yeah listeners thin. You know shewanted to look this case up before we recorded this, but I was like no. No.You need to hear the twist like fresh. You can't know it, so I'm so happy. Idid that because I know I first heard about this case on the trace evidencepodcast and when he said that she been found in North Carolina. I was likewhat what anyway you can follow me on instagramand twitter, at lock the door pod. I also have a facebook page and a gmailthat you can email me at lock. The door pod at gmailcom feel free to reach outto any of those platforms with C suggestions, theories or just to say hi.I always welcome any of that. If you're listening to this on somewhere, you canleave a review, it would be super helpful. Do you have something nice tosay that just helps more people discover this podcast and thereforemore people listen to and learn about these cases? A lot of the cases that Ido are unsolved and, of course, the more people that learned about a case,the bigger the chance that someone who holds the key to solving one of themwill listen and finally be persuaded to do the right thing. Thank you so somuch for listening and, as always, make sure you lock your doors, bye.

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