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Did You Lock The Door?
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Episode 2 · 2 years ago

The Gruesome Crimes of Issei Sagawa

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Hello and welcome back to did you lock the door? The podcast? I'm your host, Peyton Reese, joined once again by my best friends of FIA. Hello again seeing the popular de man. So I'm back already. So I just want to start this episode by clearing up some of the things that I don't think I mentioned in my last one. First off, I will not have the same host every time. I'm trying to bring in as many of my friends as I can and like Sepia, for example, lives in New York City most of the time, so she won't be here every day to help me record, I'll try to still have her own as much as possible. So I'll be bringing in, like I just said, as many friends as possible and sometimes, I'm sure it'll have to be just me, but just wanted to let everyone know that. So today we are, I feel like I'm venturing into last podcast on the left territory. This is going to be what they call a heavy hitter episode. Oh sure, it's kind of a cool tagline. I didn't know that we have these kind of the yeah, I agree. I guess this is a heavy heater. Yeah, I'm right gate. I want to plug last podcast past really quick. My favorite podcast by far, and when they do something that is a bit more gruesome than normal they call it a heavy hitter episode. So this will be definitely more gruesome than my Lindsay BOOZIAC episode and probably one of the most gruesome ones I'll do. So I just want that to be a warning. If you just Google this man's name, you'll quickly find out what he did. So I would recommend maybe doing that before you listen to this podcast, just so you know what you're in for. But today we are going to be...

...covering is say Sagua. So it's a Sagua, was born in Kobe, Japan, on April Twenty Six of one thousand nineteen forty nine, making him a tarist. Yeah, unfortunately, a very unfortunately. On my birthday is April twenty five, so this guy's way too close to my birthday and my favorite actress's birthday as well, the same year of her birth, six days after her births are. She's April Twenty nineteen forty nine. It's Jessica Lang, and I just this man is staining. The name Horus has all across the world. I just have to put that on record. I so know how you feel. There are far too many Gemini's that we're there far too many serial killers that are Gemini's, and I'm a Gemini, so I'm not about that. But anyway, Sagawa was born prematurely. He was born, I just want to apologize if pure if you hear barking in the background of this episode, that is my dog. But Anyway, as I was saying, he was born prematurely, but he was born to a very loving and wealthy parents who did everything that they could to make sure that he was as healthy as possible. And he has one brother. One brother. Yes, he said that when he was little he would play a game with his brother and his uncle where his uncle would dress up as and pretend to be a cannibal who would pretend to go after him and his brother. And that might hint at what's to come, shall we say, foreshadowing for so yes, the strap in he was very intelligent and still is, and was passionate about books from an early age and when he was growing up, sex was a very taboo topic in his household. So when he first began to feel sexual deduct desires, he thought that there was something wrong with him and he thinks, and I'll have to agree with him here, that since the topic of sex was so hush hush, that that sort of you can help me say...

...this, but that sort of started where his cannibalistic desires and sexual desires mixed. I'm sure they would have mixed anyway, but he thinks that this was definitely a catalyst for that. Yeah, I think he knew from a very early age that he had cannibalistic desires, but because of the lack of sexual education exactly, he kind of had had those lines blur. So sex and cannibalism were one, as is with most things like serial killers and murderers, sex and murder kind of become one topic in a sense. He actually started to feel cannibalistic desires as early as the first grade. He said that when he was in first grade he noticed a classmates sighs and thought, and I quote, Hmm, that looks delicious. I don't mean to laugh, but I say that without nervous Ah. Well, I guess something I didn't want to do before we decided to jump in the story were thoughts on cannibalism. That was something that I personally wanted to do. What are the thoughts that you have on cannibalism. I think in America when you hear cannibals and you think Jeffrey Dahmer is the first thing that kind of for most people, Jeffrey Dahmer was a Gemini. Didn't I didn't know that. I didn't know that. And if you have not seen my friend Dahmer, this is a predible right here incredible movies, such a great Ross lunch is a king, Alex Wolf is a king. Everyone involved in that movie my all of my gratitudes to you. It's such such a good movie. So I am funny, for sure. It's not a comedy or any type of parody or anything like that, but it's definitely a really good movie. No sympathy really, if we're going to be honest here, but it's still kind of gives you the mind of well, this is what was kind of going on and who really...

...knows, because it was based it was based off a comic that the one of the friends of Jeffrey Dahmmer back in the day, but have wrote. Yeah, so the it is based off of true experiences of somebody involved with the Jeffrey Dammer, Alex will's character, but not getting too deep into his story here, but point being of what our thoughts on Cannibal wasn't personally here. I will go on the record saying that it's such a weird thing to think about. If you know anything about the dark web, they have cannibal markets on there and they have people that like go and have these cannibal meets like they they exist, like cannibals exists for whatever reason. And if I'm being completely removed from the situation, other than the fact that we're all like human beings, I mean, I guess the way that these people see it is that, like we're just an animal and what I'm not eating a person. This is not like something that I think. I just feel like maybe in the head of a cannibal they're not identifying the meat as people. That's just like that's the way that I think the most of them think about I don't think they really are, like my intentions is to eat a human being because that gives maybe these people don't have consciences, which is why they can actually eat humans. But if I were in a life or death situation, all I have to say is I would not be opposed to eat human being that's all. What are your thoughts? Does it discuss you to a point where you know? I I will think about that and listeners, if you want to hear my thoughts, let me know and I will give them to you at the beginning of the next episode, I promised. But anyway. So, as we said, he in first grade experienced his first cannibalistic desires and while his first desires were towards a male classmate, as he grew older his attractions shifted towards women, specifically towards Western women, and he thinks that this is because the media bombarded him with women such as Grace Kelly, and also because he describes himself as frail and weak. He's actually only four foot...

...nine and he's very skinny. He's been skinny and small his entire life. Too premature broke yes, and he describes Western women as strong and beautiful. He also feels that, due to his desires, he's not of this world. He in the vice documentary about this man, which is incredible. You can find it on Youtube. It's what was it called? Interview with the Cannibal and interview with the count it's very in depth, very informative, very disturbing and graphics there. It's not for the faint of heart, but if you think you can stomach it, it's very, very informative. But Anyway, in that documentary he states that maybe I came from another planet or another dimension. I must have come from a place of cannibals. This like three top fears and they are the government, artificial intelligence, technology and aliens. And the way that this documentary darts is by this man assumed in baby picture and he has a large head, like I said, because of his premature birth. So he has huge head. Is a baby picture of this man zoomed all the way into his like dark black eyeballs and big head. He looks like an alien one. And then he's talks about how he does not feel like he's even a human being. He talks about how he feels he might have been dropped from the sky and his mother took pity on him in the street and picked him like. It's Freaky, completely freaky. This man knows that he's not like a regular human being. In it, I don't think. I don't think he is honestly severering into complete weird conspiracy. He's an alien. That's all. I have to say that is my final fall on this man. He's an alien, which he why he feels so comfortable openly admitting that he will eat humans from from a very young age. Okay, so now we're going to jump ahead a bit to his first I don't know if this is if it is his first criminal activity, but his first documented criminal activity. So, at age twenty four Sagoa followed a woman home and eventually he would break into her home while she was sleeping. Thankfully,...

...as she woke up the second that he touched her and she freaked out and called the police, and he eventually would be charged with attempted rape. He said that he was too afraid to tell the officers that his true intentions were not to rape this woman but to eat her. He said he didn't even want to kill her. His desires, his desire to feed, his care ballistic desires, were just so strong that those were the intentions upon breaking into her home. And this was a white woman, yes, living in the, I think, the apartment building of his grandmother. Yeah, so that that's where that came from. So, despite being charged with attempted rape, he, at age twenty eight, which is just four years later left fudge a pan for Paris to pursue his PhD and Comparative Literature at Sorbonne University. I do not speak French even a little bit, so I don't know if I said that right, but we can hope. And as soon as he met classmate renee, heart of belts, he was instantly infatuated. Once again, I'm quoting the vice documentary. He said that my desire to eat a woman had turned into an obligation. They would start out as acquaintances, and she even invited him out to dinner with her another classmates several times. He remembers her as kind and trusting. On June eleven, one thousand nine hundred and eighty one, Sagawa invited Rene to his apartment under the guise of recording German poetry for their professor professor. Once she arrived, she sat down and began reading. As she was doing so, he went to his rifle, which had been carefully placed in a spot behind her so that she could not see what was going on. He then shot her in the back of the head. Reportedly, he fainted after shooting her, but quickly awoke and realized that it was time to carry out his desires. When discussing the murder, he states that made be if we had dinner once more, I wouldn't have eaten her. It was over a course of time that this man had decided...

...that he wanted to choose her to eat. I think. Yeah, immediately he had a like liking for her, but he had like a plan like the whole time in seeing her, meeting her, talking to her, he knew this was kind of like the end game. He even wrote a letter saying to her about the this poetry incident, like I want you to come over my house and help me with this, and the poem was the five documentary that we kind of just watched. They said that that poem was about cannibalism. So she was the way that he had his apartment set up. He did not for he didn't even want to see her face. He wanted to her to be facing away from him when he killed her, because he said he didn't want to kill her again. He like he said with the other woman that whose house he broke into, his only goal was to eat her, but he knew that he would have to kill her to do so. Yeah, I don't think he's not a murdering kind of guy. He'd never wanted to really kill anybody, but the in order for him to even eat some Lonnia, he kind of knew that he had to kill. So the gun shot did that for him and he did what he finally wanted to do in the following events here. So, after killing her, he said that he told her that he loved her for the first time. And two days following her murder, he became paranoid that it would start to smell, so he knew he had to get rid of the body. After stalking his fridge with the parts that he knew he wanted to keep for later consumption, he stuffed her body into two suit cases and traveled to a lake to dispose of them. He would take a cab to the lake and remarks that the cab driver asked him if there was a corpse in his bags, since they were so heavy. which can you imagine, Bro like, imagine having a corpse in your bag and soone being like hey, like, is there a body in here? is so heavy, like I do not want to sympathize with this man, but my blood would run cold. I think I'm pretty...

...sure he had absolutely no clue that the the cab driver, would have asked something so ironic, but a lot of there's a lot of irony in this guy's life, seems to be. So he went out around eight PM to dump the body, but he did not realize that at France, in France during the summer, it's still light out, apparently at eight PM. So he had to find a secluded spot around this lake where no one was. After finding a secluded location, he began to try and dump the suit cases, but then he noticed a man and a little boy nearby, so he just left the suit cases and began walking away. The man then noticed them and asked if the suit cases where his. He said no, so the man opened them up to find in one of them at least a sheet covered in blood, and he began to yell murder, murderer. It was like Prittin out, like he was standing by this lake with these suitcases and like, I don't know, like this guy is such a horrible but such a poetic man. I don't know. He was just he left the suitcases kind of alone while he was looking at this guy and his son or this little boy who, whatever whatever the relationship might have been across the lake and the sun set and he said everything, yeah, was in kind of like color. was like everything was red, it was blowing. He was like in a trance almost, and somebody behind him went through the suitcase and asked if it was his, and he like literally said no, but then he saw that there was like the bloody bed sheet and stuff like that in the suitcase, and that's when the guy screamed up to like, I don't know, a lady around that area where the lake was, that that this guy's a murder and he just walked away from the whole situation as well, he say, walked away from the whole situation like he didn't even know what to do. This man had no type of reaction really. So two days following the...

...dumping of her NAS body, he was arrested and upon arrest he immediately confessed and his mother would attempts to commit suicide following his rest, his arrest and subsequent confession. So by psychiatrist in France he was deemed insane and deported back to Japan. However, doctors in France would deem him sane and there for not in need of treatment, so they would set him free on August twelve, one thousand nine hundred and eighty six, back into society, and that was in Japan. Yes, in Japan, not in France. Following his release, he stated that he could not find work. Understandably, however, he was offered tens of thousands of dollars for various interviews. He was also reached out to by a painter named Kazoomsa Nakagawa, who wanted to work with him, as well as by a company very appropriately named Lolita Manga, who partnered with him to write books about his killings, where he would draw like comics basically depicting what he had done. It was, you know, yeah, it was like the whole incident, but in a comic book version of it it's so creepy looking like this vice documentary is how I found out most of my information from this about this guy, and they give you a lot because it's literally an interview coming from the source itself. It's he talks about his childhood and the incident and little incidents that kind of make up the one big crime that he committed, and then now his life after, and I think this this Um interview was done in I do not two thousand and thirteen or something like that. I have to double check that. And since partnering with Thelita Manga, He's written over twenty book, because I'm not sure if all of them are with that company, but he has written a significant amount of books, all to do with his crimes. He also paints and he...

...has a manager that sells his paintings internationally. A producer named Terry Edo hired him to film a video where, among other very odd things, he eats meat while staring into the camera, which is disturbing, and acts out Little Red Riding Hood and he plays the wolf in this production very appropriately. He had said in the vice interview like he didn't know what he really signed up for, but I think he was trying to. He was just taking every single opportunity that was thrown at him. Yeah, he couldn't money, yeah, he couldn't get a job. He needed to make money. And finally, one of the more scandalous things that came out of this, I feel like that's bad, that's importaste, but you'll see why I said that. He filmed a pornographic film with a woman and after they had finished that, he also filmed himself telling her what he had done to renee. She was horrified at first, but eventually the two would become friends and about her and the vice documentary, he said that thanks to her, my twisted desires towards women have slowly but surely changed. So I couldn't find when exactly he did this. I don't know if you'll be able to enlighten us, but sometime following his horrific acts, he would travel the world, not to France, though, with two women named Rhonda and Talia. He says that his relationship with the two women was clearly platonic. In fact, he believed that the two women might be together throughout their travels. They had no idea what he had done, although they would later find out. He, like we said, equates his cannibalistic desires and his sexual desires. So in his interview with FIS, he stated that he has become impotent and is afraid that his desires will soon get the better of him. And remember that was recorded about seven years ago. Yeah, I'm so date that. So that is worrisome to say the least. He also states that now he lives alone, with no friends and no steady source of income. He feels that death truly is his only hope. He says that he would like his death to be slow and...

...painful, even stating, I believe, that he wants to be ripped apart limb from limb, which I can't say he doesn't deserve that. He was interviewed also about seven years ago by one of Japan's top criminal psychologists who, after the interview, stated that he is insane. He's a psychopath, a sexual psychopath. He's had several health problems in the recent years. Now he has to be fed va feeding tube and I think you said he has diabetes and the Yeastro. I saw an article that was me two thousand and nineteen and he's practically he's debilitated. This man is debilitated. I think it mostly has to do with his premature birth. I'm that that's problem. You the main cause of this, other than, like you, believe in Karma. There's that, because now he can't even eat like the an wants to eat people and he still can't eat. And in the ending of that interview, the article from two thousand and nineteen, may two thousand and nineteen, they asked him if he still would eat a person or does he still feel like eating people? He said yes, so this man is still wants the people. He's unable to know which they God like. I think the desire is always something that remains in this man, but he never acted upon it more than that time in Paris, because he said in even the five interview on Youtube from two thousand and seven, that he's not he's not into killing, that that's something that just he does not want to be doing after that first time that he did. He just doesn't want to kill, and you I don't. He didn't even want to kill during that incident. So in order from to eat some money, that would be almost impossible. Like what are you're going to find somebody that's going to be like hey, yeah, you can eat me, like no, so he it's just a desire more than anything, I'm sure, but it's this is horrific, like this man is like sick. This, this whole thing is sick, like in the vice interview. If you decide, if you make the decision that you want to...

...watch that interview on Youtube, you need to be mentally I'm telling you, you need to be mentally prepared. If you've never seen the like pictures of a dead body. It's it's pretty graphic. It's a there's nothing more graphic. Yes, so please be forewarned. I want to discuss quickly another quote from his vice interview that I don't know why this stood out to me, but he said I have to be vulgar to survive, and I'm assuming he means vulgar in terms of cannibalistic. So this might be an inappropriate analogy. But going back to you thinking he's an alien. So I don't know if any of you have seen the show American Dad. I'm sure some of you have, but if you have, you'll be familiar with the alien named Roger On that show. There's an episode that they do where they convinced Roger to stop being mean, but they find out that being mean provides him with his life source. He has to be mean in order to survive. So just I don't mean to be laughing, but it's just that quote stuck out to me so much and that was the only example I could think of. Like we were talking about how we don't know why his body is falling apart. You maybe it's some sort of he's not allowed to enact out his greatest desires. So his body is yeah, giving I definitely that's I didn't even think about that. It's yeah, it's like you have this impulsive need to do whatever it is that you need to do in your life, and for this guy it happens to be eating people and he has like extreme consequences. At this point, he's in his I think he's seven. Yeah, forty nine. He's like turning seventy one this year. Oh Really? So, yeah, he's turned so he's not young. Not to say that when you're in your s you're not even old to me. But I think we've said all the information that we have on the case. Like we said, he committed one murder only. So, not only, but. So we explain that. But now I just want to give my thoughts on what it was like...

...to watch him. It's honestly, like we said, he's four foot nine and he laughs and makes jokes and comes off as very intelligent, well spoken while mannered. So it's such a shock to think about what he did. He's not threatening. He's a threat, but he's not threatening, and so it was totally warping my mind to watch this documentary about or the couple documentaries that we watch. He just the way people like this are capable of seeming totally normal, and also to watch the way in which he discusses the horrible things he did. He seemingly loses all emotions when he talks about it. He said that he made a comment that was interesting to me. When his parents died, he felt great sorrow and lost, so he has no idea why he isn't able to feel the same sorrow and loss for renee, the woman that he killed in Paris. I think this was an interesting thing to kind of like go through, because when we were trying to figure out what to do next, I wanted to do something a little different. I didn't want to do a similar case like Um Lindsay's that we had done previously. I wanted to do something with a little bit of a shock value, and not to say that Lindsay's murder isn't shocking or tragic, it's just a different kind of case. Like the approach is completely different, the method of everything is completely different. There's a lot of connections in her case and that involve family and friends and people she was involved with. With those connections, her connection through other people's connection. It was a lot of connections and people involved in her case versus this one, which is one man and one woman. There's no arguing or, you know, trying to see, oh, what really went on. There's no mystery to it. It's very straightforward. So and they're two completely different things too, completely different natures too, completely different...

...crimes. And I had I this is something I actually have knowledge on at this time. Versus Lindsay's case, I had no prior knowledge of that case. I'd never heard of it, but this case I found through vice, I found through their documentary and the first time that I watched it I couldn't finish it in the middle of the night because it freaked me out so much. And like watching, like pay and go through this experience, because she's never watched that documentary. or You said you heard of this guy that. Yeah, I heard of this guyly. So hearing of versus watching and finding the information. Now it's definitely an interesting process. is to kind of watch because, like I said, I had prior knowledge and cost even going through it again for I don't know, this might be this the fifth time that I've went through this guy's documentary, because I would be like, oh my gosh, this guy's like crazy, like I got to show this some who I can show it too, and it's still insane. It's such a graphic case. It's so graphic. You kill somebody through stabbing, your gunshot or whatever, it's like graphic. But this is different, like if you look at the pictures, if you do want to look at the pictures, the pictures are very reminiscent of the Black Dahlia Crime Scene Photo, crime scene photos, if anyone has seen that. It's like there is a picture of the meat that he cut which, by the way, he there was an incident where he was on a boat after a Grad graduate program or something like. We can figure out if this was before or after he killed renee. It had it was before, but not sure when, because she was talking to a butcher on the boat and the butcher was telling him how to cut meat up and through that knowledge, he wrote him a letter. He wrote the butcher a letter saying thank you, Oh, you're right, so and this...

...was this was after he sent the letter after, but the ind but the meeting with the butcher was before he when he had killed this girl, he thought that he could just I don't know what this man thought really because he thought he could cut through human flesh with like a butter night. Well, he actually said this is going to be graphic, so if you don't want to hear this, I will not be offended if you feel the need to turn the podcast off. But he said that initially he thought he would just be able to bite through her flesh and when he found out he couldn't, he tried to use one of his fruit knives, which again did nothing. So he had to go to the market to purchase a knife specifically made for me. Yeah, a butcher knife, which is like, if you know anything about the food industry anything, that it's curved. The knife is curved at the top to easily cut me. And in a butcher shop you know from top now, because they hang the meat like usually it's like beef or something like that. They usually hang it up there and they carve it from the hook. So I'll that's what that knife is used or extremely, extremely tough meat hanging from a hook. And this guy went out and bought it and now he's cutting a person up with it. It's craze, it's crazy, it's insane. Okay, so I think we have done all of our all of our talking and analysis on this case, but I just want to acknowledge our sources one more time. So a big one was the vice documentary, which again you can find on Youtube, and another one was the cannibal that walked free, which again you can find on Youtube. I also use murder Pedias page on essays Tagawa, as well as an article titled Cannibal Killer, I say Sagua is walking free and plans to eat humans again. I there was a few Japanese articles that I also looked up. I don't I don't remember exactly what they were, but they were Japan base, I think east Japan or something like that. Was Japan, one of one of those areas of the region. And also, this is something I forgot to mention, this man profited so much off of his crime, which, when you...

...think about something like that, it's it's crazy, because he's free, like he's not. He didn't serve a day in jail, not in not anymore. He I think he was detained in Paris, detained in a psychiatric hospital. So he never serves prison time. No, exactly. He was detained over there and they decided that they didn't want to keep him be taxpayers dime. So they deported him back to his home country, where he never committed a crime other than the attempted rape, which I don't I'm not sure if he I don't think he went to jail for that. I think it was just the his family's wealthy, so they probably paid whatever to fine to not have to worry about Jay. Sure what the laws and Japan were at the time. I don't know what they are now either, but I know that here in America rapists don't really serve time. No, that might have been the case as well, but this man profit so much and even in two thousand and eighteen they managed to make another movie, I think it's a documentary as well, called Kaniba, and it's on him. It's on him again, like he's still making movies about his crime, which is which is crazy, because why is there another movie? Why is there another movie on this guy? I think he's I we are sitting here top making a podcast about him, but it's not just in stationalize, it's more to kind of like, as he will not receive a dime exactly, bring kind of an awareness. I guess this is one of the most shocking things that I've probably ever heard of and seen it. I like I follow certain medical accounts on Instagram, so I enjoy this kind of human curiosity about the body, the human body, and this person wants to eat it, which is so, so weird, so so weird to think that some person just as like I need to eat somebody. And, like I said, he's an alien. So that there were goes my thoughts on that. He's an alien, so he doesn't see the human as a human being. He doesn't. I don't think he sees himself as a human being either. So is not. Yeah, yeah, he doesn't seemself as a human being. So therefore, eating a human being, it's not eating to humanization. For sure. It's very odd...

...because he knows his upbringing and it did not do anything to him mentally, like he had a great childhood, aside from the sexual taboos, yeah, which is cultural, but he had a brother that played with him, he had two good parents and he traveled the world. So it's not like he had an abusive household or had like somebody forcing themself upon him as a child or anything like that. It's like he knew in nately something was different. Yeah, that's very reminiscent of like Bundy. Anyway, thank you so much for listening. I think that's all we have to say on the matter. I'll be back with another did you lock the door? PODCAST very soon. By.

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