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Episode 2 · 1 year ago

The Gruesome Crimes of Issei Sagawa

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Hello and welcome back to did you lockthe door, the PODCAST, I'm your host, Peyton Reece, joined once again by mybest friend, Zophera hello, Agein Seeno be an popular demand, so I'm back allrighty. So I just want to start this episode by clearing up some of thethings that I don't think I mentioned in my last one. First off, I will nothave the same host every time I'm trying to bring in as many of myfriends as I can and like Safira, for example, lives in New York City most ofthe time, so she won't be here every day to help me record I'll, try tostill have her on as much as possible, so I'll be bringing in, like I justsaid as many friends as possible, and sometimes I'm sure it'll have to bejust me, but just wanted to. Let everyone know that. So today we are, Ifeel, like I'm venturing into last podcast on the left territory. This isgoing to be what they call a heavy hitter episode, OHR sure it's kind of acool time line. I didn't know that we hade these kinod yeah. I agree. I guessthis is a heavy hitter yeah right. I Like I want to plug last podcast,really quick, my favorite podcast by far and when they do something that isa bit more gruesome than normal. They call it a heavy hitter episode, so this will be definitely more gruesomethan my linsay boosiaqe episodes and probably one of the most gruesome onesI'll do so. I just want that to be a warning. If you just Google, this man'sname you'll quickly find out what he did. So I would recommend maybe doingthat before you listen to this podcast just so you know what you're in for,but today we are going to be covering...

...is say Sagawa, so Isa Sagala was bornin Cobe, Japan on April Twenty Sixth Oe thousand nine hundred and forty ninemaking him Ataris yeah. Unfortunately, very unfortunate. My birthday is AprilTwenty Fi, so this guy's way too close to my birthday and my favoriteactressis birthday as well, the same year of her birth six days after herbirth, er she's April Twentyeth, one thousand nine hundred and forty nine isJessica Lang, and I just this man is staining the name of the tourises allacross the world. I just have to put that on record. I so know how you feelthere are far too many geminies that were there far too many stereal killersthat are geminize and IAM a Gemini. So I'm not about that, but anyway, Sagama was born. PRETY MUC,herly wet he was born. I just want to apologize if Youre, ifyou hear barking in the background of this episode, that is my dog, but anyway, as I was saying, he wasborn prematurely, but he was born to a very loving and wealthy parents who dideverything they could to make sure that he was as healthy as possible and he has one brother one brother Yues.He said that when he was little he would play a game with his brother andhis uncle, where his uncle would dress up as and pretend to be a cannibal whowould pretend to go after him and his brother, and that might hint at what'sto come. Shall we say for shadowing for so yes to strap in, he was veryintelligent and still is and was passionate about books from an earlyage and when he was growing up. Sex was a very taboo topic in his household. Sowhen he first began to feel sexual tod desires, he thought that there wassomething wrong with him and he thinks and I'll have to agree with him herethat since the topic of sex was so...

...hushhush that that sort of you can help me say this,but that sort of started where his cannibalistic desiresand sexual desires mix I'm sure they would have mixed anyway. But he thinksthat this was definitely a catalyst for that yeah. I think he knew from revever early age that he had cannibalistic desires, but because ofthe lack of sexual education, exactly he kind of had those lines blur Sosex andcannibalism, worwer one, as is with most things like serial killers andmurderers, sex and murder kind of become one topic innocent. He actuallystarted to feel cannibalistic desires as early as the first grade. He saidthat when he was in first grade he noticed a classmates, thighs andthought and a quote hm that looks delicious. I don't mean to laugh, but a was out nervous. Well, I guesssomething I didn't want to do before we decided to jump in the story werethoughts on cannibalism. That was something that I personally wanted to.What are the thoughts that you have on cannibalism? I think in America, whenyou hear Cambels- and you think Jeffrey Domer is the first thing that kind offor most people, Jeffrey Dommer, was a Gemani. I I didn't know that I didn'tknow that and if you have not seen my friend Dohmer, this is a Preda Blokright here, incredible movie such a greet, Rass blench, is a king. AlexWolf is a king. Everyone involved in that movie. My all of my gratitude, Oyou it's such such a good movie, so I am funny for sure it's not a comedy orany type of parody or anything like that. But it's definitely a really goodmovie. No sympathy really, if we're going to be honest here, but it's stillkind of gives you the mind of well. This is what was kind of going on andwho really knows because it was based.

It was based off a comic that the oneof the friends of Jeffrey domer back in the day have wrote yeah. So it is basedoff of true experiences of somebody involved with Geffry Dommer Alix swolvscharacter, but not getting too deep into his story here, but point beingwhat our thoughts on Kennibal asn't personally here, I will go on therecord saying that it's such a weird thing, tat think about. If you knowanything about the dark web, they have cannibal markets on there and they havepeople that like go and have these cannibal meats like hey, they existlike hannibals exist, for whatever reason, and if I'm being completelyremoved from the situation other than the fact that we're all like humanbeings, I mean, I guess, the way that these people see is that, like we'rejust an animal and what I'm not eating a person, this is not like somethingthat I think I just feel like. Maybe in the head of a cannibal they're, notidentifying the meat as people, that's just like. That's the way that I thinkthat most of them think about. I don't think they really are, like. Ah Myintentions to se you to human being, because that gives maybe these peopledon't have consciences, which is why they can actually eat humans. But if Iwere in a life of that situation, all I have to say is: I would not be opposedto eateen being that's all. What are your thoughts? Does it disgust you to apoint where you know I will think about that and listeners? Ifyou want to hear my thoughts, let me know- and I will give them to you atthe beginning of the next episode I promised but anyway. So as we said, he in first grade experienced his firstcannibalistic desires and, while his first desires wore towards a maleclassmate as he grew older, his attractions shifted towards womenspecifically towards Western women, and he thinks that this is because themedia bombarded him with women such as Grace Kelly and also because hedescribes himself as frail and weak he's. Actually only four foot, nine andhe's very skinny he's been skinny and...

...small. His Entire Life Oto premature Bo,yes, and he describes Western women as strong and beautiful. He also feelsthat, due to his desires, he's not of this world, he in the vice documentaryabout this man, which is incredible- you can find it on Youtube. It's whatwas it called interview with the Anibl and interview with the CA? It's very indupt, very informative, very disturbing and graphic er. It's not for the fameof heart, but if you think you can stomach it, it's very, very informative.But anyway in that documentary he states that maybe I came from anotherplanet or another dimension. I must have come from a place of cannibals.This h like three top fears and they are the government, artificialintelligence, echnology and aliens, and the way that this documentary starts isby this man Azoom in baby picture, and he has a large head, like I said,because of his premature birth. So he has huge head iis, a baby pitcter ofthiss man zoomed all the way into his like dark black eyeballs and big head.He looks like an alien one, and then he talks about how he does not feel likehe's even a human bee. He talks about how he feels he might have been droppedfrom the sky and his mother took pity on him in the street and picked himlike it's freaky completely freaky. This man knows that he's not like aregaar human being in it. I don't think I don't think he is honestly severinginto complete weird conspiracy he's an alien. That's all I have to say that ismy final fall on this man he's an alien which why he feels so comfortableopenly admitting that he will eat humans from from a very young age. Okay,so now we're going to jump ahead a bit to his first. I don't know if this is, ifit is his first criminal activity, but his first documented criminal activity.So at age, twenty four Sagawa followed a woman home and eventually he wouldbreak into her home while she was...

...sleeping. Thankfully, she woke up thesecond that he touched her and she freaked out and called the police, andhe eventually would be charged with attempted rape. He said that he was tooafraid to tell the officers that his true intentions were not to rape, thiswoman, but to eat her. He said he didn't even want to kill her hisdesires. His desire to feed his cannibalistic desires were just sostrong that those were the intentions upon breaking into her home, and thiswas a white woman yeah living in the I think, the apartment building of hisgrandmother, yeah. So t that's where that came from so, despite beingcharged with the tempted rape he at age, twenty eight, which is just four yearslater, left Fajapan for Paris to pursue his PhD in comparative literature atStorbone University. I do not speak French even a little bit, so I don'tknow if I said that right, but we can hope and as soon as he met classmateRene Hartevelts, he was instantly infatuated. Once again, I'm quoting thevice documentary. He said that my desire to eat a woman had turned intoan obligation. They would start out as acquaintancesand she even invited him out to dinner with her another classmate severaltimes. He remembers her as kind and trusting on June, Eleventh D Nineneen, eightyone SAGAWA invited Renado his apartment under the guise of recording Germanpoetry for their professor professor. Once she arrived, she sat down andbegan reading as she was doing so. He went to his rifle, which had beencarefully placed in a thought behind her so that she could not see what wasgoing on. He then shot her in the back of thehead. Reportedly, he fainted after shootingher, but quickly awoke and realized that it was time to carry out hisdesires. When discussing the murder, he states that maybe, if we had dinneronce more, I wouldn't have eaten her. It was over a course of time that thisman had decided that he wanted to...

...choose her to eat. I think yeahimmediately. He had a like liking for her, but he had like a plan like thewhole time in seeing her meeting her talking to her. He knew this was kindof like the end game. He even wrote a letter saying to her about the thispoetry incident like I want you to come over my house and help me with this,and the poem was the five documentary that we kind of just watched. They saidthat that poem was about cannimalism, so she was the way that he had hisapartment set up. He did not, for he didn't even want to see her face. Hewanted her to be facing away from him when he killed her because he said hedidn't want to kill her again. He, like he said with the other woman hat whosehouse he broke into his only goal was to eat her, but he knew that he wouldhave to kill her to do so. Yeah, I don't he's not a murdering kind of guy.He never wanted to really kill anybody, but in order for him to even eatSomebodya, he kind of knew that he had to kill. So the gun shot did that forhim and he did what he finally wanted to do in the following events here. Soafter killing her, he said that he told her that he loved her. For the firsttime and two days following her murder, he became paranoid that it would startto smell, so he knew he had to get rid of the body after stalking his fridgewith the parts that he knew he wanted to keep for later consumption. Hestuffed her body into two suitcases and traveled to a lake to dispose of them. He would take a cabs to the lake inremarks that the cab driver asked him if there was a corse in his bags, sincethey were so heavy which can you imagine b, like imagine, having acorpse in your bag and someone being like hey like. Is there a body in hereso heavy like? I do not want to sympathize with this man, but my bloodwould run cold. I think I'm pretty sure...

...he had absolutely no cool that the thecab driver would have asked something so ironic an but a lot there's a lot ofironing in this guy's life seems Tobe, so he went out around eight PM to dumpthe body, but he did not realize that at Fra in France, during the summer itstill light out apparently at eight PM, so he had to find a secluded spotaround this lake, where no one was after finding a secluded location, hebegan to try and dump the suitcases, but then he noticed a man and a littleboy nearby. So he just left the suitcases and began walking away. Theman then noticed them and asked if the suit cases were his, he said. No, sothe man opened them up to find in one of them at least a sheet covered inblood, and he began to yell murderer murderer.It was like print no. He was standing by this lake with these suitcases andlike like this guy is such a just horrible, but such a poetic man- Idon't know he was just he left the suitcases kind of alone. While he waslooking at this guy and his son or this little boy who, whatever whatever therelationship, might have been across the lake and the sunset, and he saideverything yeah was in kind of like color. It was like everything was red.It was blowing. He was like in a trance almost and somebody behind him wentthrough the suitcase and asked if it was his and he like literally said no, but then he saw that there was like thebloody bedsheet and stuff like that in the suitcase, and that's when the guyscreamed up to. Like. I don't know a lady around that area where the lakewas that that this guy's a murderer and he just walked away from the wholesituation, as whall e say, walked away from the whole situation like he didn'teven know what to do. This man had no type of reaction really so two days following the dumping ofher Naes body, he was arrested and upon...

...arrest, he immediately confessed andhis mother would attempt to commit suicide following his rest, his arrestand subsequent confession. So by psycaiatrist and France, he was deemedinsane and deported back to Japan. However, doctors in France would deemhim sane and therefore not in need of treatment, so they would set him free on August,twelfth one thousand nine hundred and eighty six back into society, and that was in Japan. Yes, in Japan,not in France following his release, he stated that he could not find work.Understandably, however, he was offered tens of thousands of dollars forvarious interviews. He was also reached out to by a painter and named KazumzaNakagawa, who wanted to work with him, as well as by a company veryappropriately, named Lolida Manga, who parted with him to write books abouthis killings, where he would draw like comics, basically depicting what he haddone. It was no yeah. It was like the whole incident, but in a comic bookversion of it, it's so creepy. Looking like this vice documentary is how Ifound out most of my information from this about this guy, and they give you a lotbecause it's literally an interview coming from the source itself. It's hetalks about his childhood and the incident and little incidents that kindof make up the one big crime that he committed and then now his life after,and I think this this interview was done in. I do not wo thousand and thirteen orsomething like that. I have to double check that and since partnering with Lelida MengaHe's written over twenty books, I'm not sure if all of them are with thatcompany, but he has written a significant amount of books all to dowith his crimes. He also paints and he...

...has a manager that sells his paintingsinternationally. A producer named Terry Edo, hired himto film a video where, among other very odd things, he eats meat while staringinto the camera, which is disturbing and ax out Little Red Riding Hood and he plays the wolf in this productionvery appropriately. He had said in the vice interview, like he didn't knowwhat he really signed up for, but I think he was trying to. He was justtaking every single opportunity that was thrown at him. Yeah he cun moneyyeah. He can get a job he needed to make money. And finally, one of the more scandalousthings that came out of this or I feel like it's bad. That's some poor tastebut you'll see why I said that he filmed a pornographic film with a womanand after they had finished that he also filmed himself telling her what hehad done to renee. She was horrified at first, but eventually the two wouldbecome friends and about her in the vice documentary. He said that, thanksto her, my twisted desires towards women have slowly but surely changed,so I couldn't find when exactly he did this. I don't know if you'll be able toenlighten this, but sometime following his horrific acts, he would travel theworld not to France, though, with two women named Ronda and Talia, he saysthat his relationship with the two women was plarly patonic. In fact, hebelieved that the two women might be together throughout their travels. Theyhad no idea what he had done, although they would later find out. He like, wesaid, equates his cannibalistic desires and his sexual desires. So in hisinterview with Vice, he stated that he has become impotent and is afraid thathis desires will soon get the better of him and remember that was recordedabout seven years ago, yeah so and date that so that is worrisome tosay the least. He also states that now he lives alone with no friends and nosteady source of income. He feels that death truly is his only hope. He saysthat he would like his death to be slow...

...and painful, even stating I believethat he wants to be ripped apart, live from limb, which I can't say he doesn'tdeserve that he was interviewed also about seven years ago by one of Japan'stop criminal psychologists who, after the interview, stated that he is insanehe's a psychopath. A sexual psychopath he's had several health problems in therecent years. Now he has to be fed via feeding Tupe, and I think you said hehas diabetes and the Bestro. I saw an article that was me wo thousand andnineteen and he's practically he's debilitated. This man is debilitated. Ithink it mostly has to do with his premature birth. I'm that that'sprobably the main cause of this other than like, if you believe in Karma,there's that, because now he can't even eat like the man wants to eat people,and he still can't e, and in the ending of that interview, the article from twothousand and nineteen may two thousand and Ingteen, they asked him if he stillwould eat a personer. Does he still feel like eating people? He said yes,so this man is still wants to eat people he's unable to now which they God like. I think the desireis always something that remains in this man, but he never acted upon it more than that time inParis because he said in even the five interview on Youtube from two thousandand seven that he's not he's not into killing that. That's something thatjust he does not want to be doing after that. First Time that he did, he justdoesn't want to kill in you. I don't he didn't even want to kill during thatincident. So in order for M to eat somebody that would be almostimpossible like what are youre going to find somebody. Let's going to be likehey yeah, you eet me like no, so he it's just a desire more than anything,I'm sure. But it's! This is horrific, like this man is like sick thirs. Thiswhole thing is sick, like in the vice interview. If you decide, if you dodmake the decision that you want to...

...watch that interview on Youtube, youneed to be mentally. I'm telling you you need to be mentally prepared ifyou've never seen t like pictures of a ded body. It's it's pretty graphic.It's a there's, nothing more graphic! Yes, so please be forewarned. I want todiscuss quickly. Another quote from his vice interview that I don't know whythis sed out to me, but he said I have to be vulgar to survive and I'massuming he means vulgar in terms of cannibalistic. So this might be aninappropriate analogy, but going back to you thinking he's an alien. So Idon't know if any of you have seen the Showamerican Dad, I'm sure some ofyou have, but if you have you'll be familiar with the alien named Roger Onthat show, there's an episode that they do where they convince Roger to stopbeing mean, but they find out that being mean, provides him with his lifesource. He has to be mean in order to survive, so just I don't mean to be laughing, but itjust that quote stuck out to me so much, andthat was the only example I could think of like we were talking about how we don't knowwhy his body is falling apart. You, maybe it's some sort of he's notallowed to enact out his greatest desires to his body is yeah. Idefinitely that's. I didn't even think about that. It's yeah, it's like you,have this Impulsiv need to do whatever it is. Thath Wen yyou do in your lifeand for this guy hit happens to be eating people and he has like extremeconsequences at this point he's in his, I think, he's seven yeah. Forty ninehe's like turning seventy one. This year, Oh really so yeah he's charged sohe's not young, not to say that when you're in your S, you're not even oldto me- I, but I think, we've said all the information that we have on thecase like we said he committed one murder only so not only,but so we explain that, but now I just...

...want to give my thoughts on what it waslike to watch him. It's honestly, like we said, he's four foot, nine andhe laughs and makes jokes and comes off asvery intelligent. Well Spoken, well mannered. So it's such a shock to thinkabout what he did he's not threatening he's a threat but he's not threatening, and so it was totally warping my mindto watch this documentary about R, the couple documentaries that we watch. Hejust the way people like this are capable ofseeming totally normal and also to watch the way in which he discusses thehorrible things he did. He seemingly loses all emotions when he talks aboutit. He said that he made a comment that was interesting to me when his parentsdied, he felt great sorrow and loss, so hehas no idea why he isn't able to feel the same, sorrow and loss for renee,the woman that he killed in Paris. I think this is an interesting thing tokind of like go through, because when we ere trying to figure out what tonext, I wanted to do something a little different. I didn't want to do asimilar case like lindseys that we had done previously. Iwanted to do something with a little bit of a shock value and not to saythat Lindsy's marder isn't shocking or tragic. It's just a different kind ofcase, like the approach is completely different. The method of everything iscompletely diffeen, there's a lot of connections in her case and thatinvolved family and friends and people she was involved with with thoseconnections her connection through other people's connection. It was a lotof connections and people involved in her case versus this one, which is oneman and one woman, there's no arguing- or you know, trying to see. Oh, whatreally went on there's no mystery to it. It's very straightforward, so andthey're two complete different things to completely different natures tocompletely different crimes, and I had...

I've. This is something I actually haveknowledge on at this time versus Lindsey's case. I had no priorknowledge of that case. I'd never heard of it, but this case I found throughvice I found through their doumenary and the first time that I watched it. Icouldn't finish it in the middle of the night because it freaked me out so muchand like watching like payand go through this experience, because she'snever watched that documentary- or you said you heard of this guy, thoughyeah I heard of this guy finitely so hearing of versus watching and findingthe information. Now it's definitely an interesting process to kind of watchbecause, like I said, I had prior knowledge and Cos evens going throughit again, for I don't. This might be thi the fifth time that I've wentthrough this guys documentary because I would be like oh my gosh, this guyslike crazy, like I got to show this so who I can show it to, and it's stillinsane it's such a graphic case. It's so graphic you kill somebody throughstabbing or gunshot or whatever it's like graphic, but this is differentlike if you look at the pictures. If you do want to look at the pictures,the pictures are very reminiscent of the Black Dahlia Crimescene phodioscrime scene photos. If anyone has seen that it's like there is a picture ofthe meat that he cut, which, by the way he there was an incident where he wason a voat after a grad graduate programmer Yeahn like o figure out ifthis was before or after he killed renee it had it was before, but notsure when, because he was talking to a butcher on the boat and the butcher wastelling him how to cut meat up and through that knowledge he wrote him aletter. He wrote the butcher a letter saying thank you, Oh you're, right. So-and this was this- was after he sent...

...the letter after, but the inbuth themeeting with the Butche was before he when he had killed this girl. Hethought that he could just. I don't know what this man thought really,because he thought he could cut through human flesh with like a butter knife.Well, he actually said this is going to be graphic. So if you don't want tohear this, I will not be offented if you feel the need to turn the podcastoff, but he said that initially he thought he would just be able to bitethrough her flesh and when he found out he couldn't. He tried to use one of hisfruit knives, which again did nothing. So he had to go to the market topurchase a knife specifically made from yeah a butcher knife which is like, ifyou know anything about the food injustry or anything like it's curved.The knife is curved at the top to easily cut me an in a butcher shop n.You know from top nown because they hang the meat like usually in like beefor something like that. They usually hang it up there and they carve it fromthe hook. So that's what that knife is used or extremely extremely tough meathanging from a hook, and this guy went out and bought it and now he's cuttinga person up with it. It's CRI, it's crazy, it's insane! Okay, so I think wehave done all of our alliver talking an analysis on thiscase. I just want to acknowledge our sources when more time, so a big onewas the vice documentary which again you can find on Youtube and another onewas the cannibal that walked free, which again you can find on Youtube. Ialso use murder Pedias page on essay Tagawa, as well as an article titledCannibal Killer is Tey. Sagwa is walking free and plans to eat humans.Again I there was a few Japanese articles that I also looked up. I don'tremember exactly what they were, but they were Japan based, think, east,Japan or something like that was Japan. One of one of those areas of the region,and also this is something right for hot to mention. This man profited somuch off of his mine, which, when you...

...think about something like that, it'sit's crazy because he's free like he's not, he didn't serve a day in jail, notin not anymore. He I think he was detained in pares attained in apsychiatric hospital, so he never serves prison time, no exactly he wasattained over there and they decided that they didn't want to keep him betaxpayers dime, so they stupported him back to his home country, where henever committed a crime other than the attempted rape, which I don't, I'm notsure. If he, I don't think he went to jail for that. I think it was just thehis family is wealthy, so they probably paid whatever to find to not have toworry about junt sure what the laws and Japan were at the time. I don't knowwhat they are now either, but I know that here in America, rapists don'treally serve time. No, that might have been the case as well, but this manprofered so much and even in two thousand and eighteen they managed tomake another movie. I think it's a documentary as well called Kaniba andit's on him. It's on him again, like he's still making movies about hiscrime, which is which is crazy, because why is there another movie? Why isthere another movie on this guy? I think he's we're sitting here, t makinga podcast about him, but it's not the sensationalize, it's more to kind ofLIKEIF. He will not receive a dime, exactly bring kind of an awareness. Iguess this is one of the most shocking things that I've probably ever heard ofand seen I I like. I follow certain medical accounts on Instagram, so Ienjoy this kind of human curiosity about the body, the human body and thisperson wants to eat it, which is so so weird so so weird to think that someperson just is like I need to eat. Somebody and, like I said, he's analien so that there goes my thoughts on thathe's an alien. So he doesn't see. I the human is a human being. He doesn't. Idon't think he sees himself as a human being either. So it's not yeah yeah. Hedoesn't seem self as a human being, so therefore eating a human being. It'snot eating STI, humanization yea for...

...sure it's very odd because he knows hisupbringing and it did not do anything to him mentally, like he had a greatchildhood aside from the sexual taboos yeah, which is cultural, but he had abrother that played with him. He had two good parents and he traveled theworld. So it's not like he had an abusive household or had like somebodyforcing themself upon him as a child, or anything like that. It's like heknew inately. Something was different, yeah, that's very reminiscent of likeBundy anyway. Thank you so much for listening. I think. That's all we haveto say on the matter I'll be back with another. Did you lock the door podcastvery soon, bye.

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