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Episode 6 · 2 years ago

The Murder of Paula Sladewski

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Hi, it's your host, Peyton reese. Welcome back to did you lock the door? The podcast? Today I'm joined by one of my good friends, will hello, and today we are going to be talking about the murder of Paulus Leduski, which is honestly so baffling. I think there are a lot of details of the detectives have released in this case and that makes it all of the more mystifying. It happened also in both of our home states of Florida, so it's just it's absolutely insane terrifying. Yes, very much so. So, just jumping ground into it. Paulas Le Douski was born on November fifteen of one thousand, nine hundred and eighty three precent, yes, making her a Scorpio, and much as I am rid of myself, and she grew up in Detroit, Michigan. She was raised by her single mother, his name was Patsy, and her grandparents, as well as her older sister, who was already a teenager at the time that Paula was born. But eventually Patsy, her mother, would marry a man named Kevin Watkins, who would become Paula's and Kelly stepfather. Paula also had an older brother named Thomas, but I really didn't find any indication through any of my research that he was involved in this case at all, so I don't think he'll really be brought up again. She would be twenty six years old at the time of her murder, which is so scary because both will and I are twenty one. Yeah, that's like wow. Yeah, that's a less than five years for me, that's a and for you if that's twenty one. Yeah, so wow, it's awful. So, since Paula was a little girl, she was described as fearless, always on the go and having fun, very beautiful, but also very intelligent and brimming with personality. People say she would light up any room that she walked into and constantly had eyes on her. And also, when she was a little girl, she collected Barbie dolls and dreamed of living the Glitzie life that Barbie lived. She actually dubbed it, quote, the Barbie Life, and if you're familiar with barbies, as I'm sure you are, Barbie has like a million different careers at this point. She's super rich, she rested, do anything she wants. Yeah, resume that. She's collected so I don't blame Paula at all. We all want the Barbie Life, yes, we do. Paula had always excelled in school and she was known to have a kind and caring nature. A combination of these two things are what led her to want to eventually pursue a career in nursing, which would eventually change much more drastic yes, and she...

...would actually go off to college in California where she, like I said, chose to study nursing. She was a woman ahead of her time and that she financed her own schooling through modeling. She also appeared in the video for playboy and eventually she would take up a job as an exotic dancer. So of her modeling, her grandfather said, quote, she was a good kid and smart in high school and went around by herself to do the things she did model wise and quote. And of her appearance in a playboy video, she actually is described in most sources as a playboy bunny or a playmate, but that's not true. So what happened was five hundred initial applints were accepted to be considered for an eventual spot in a playboy magazine, and then fifty were chosen to just be a part of commemorative video for Playboy magazine, and Paula was part of this s so she didn't actually win the contest to become a playboy bunny, but she did appear in one of their videos and eventually, like I said, she went on to become an exotic dancer, or stripper for lack of a better term, and she'd always enjoyed dancing and been very good at it, so she thought why not make some money off of it, and I don't blame her. I can't get away with me exactly. So when Paula began her jobs the stripper, she died her Brunette hair blonde and she added in very long extensions, actually went down to her waist when I can gather. Her hair was about shoulder length before. So that's pretty extensive an expensive extensions. So she was already making good money. Is I can see one day Paula's mom would sit her down and ask why are you doing this, referring to her job as a stripper, to which Paula applied. I make great money, which, again, good for you girl. Thrive. Yes, exactly, your best life. Not only was her mom on comfortable with the exoct dancing. She had also begun to notice that Paula was drinking quite frequently, almost every night, and she was quite worried about her. In the Crime Watch daily episode that will and I watched. Her mom even says that she was worried that she was becoming an alcoholic and when she brought this up to Paula, Paula became quite defensive, which I mean I don't want to discount what her mother was thinking, but I can also see that as an exotic dancer there might be a lot of drinking involved in that and you could be a part of that without necessarily being an alcoholic, but you could also be a part of that and be becoming an alcoholic. So yeah, yeah, there's coming. Are Out of the game. I think you're becoming an alcohol no, boy now. So. So, during her time as an exotic dancer, Paula was living with her boyfriend, Kevin Clym. I'm not sure if they have that pronunciation right. It's either Kevin Clym or Kevin clymb. Either way it's spelled kl ym. The two had met when she had first started her job as a dancer and eventually they would move in together. Their relationship was described as very be in loving when...

...the both were sober, but violent and volatile whenever alcohol was introduced, which, as we're led to believe, was quite often. They are both reportedly big drinkers and very mean drunks, a combination which often resulted in arguments and even led to violence on both parts. There had been several incidences between the two that, like I said, had ended in violence and the police being called. Even one month before Paul's murder, Kevin was actually arrested for domestic assault in which he broke Paula's nose and gave her a black eye. However, those charges would very soon be dropped. Kevin had also been arrested in two thousand and eight, which was two years before Paul's murder, after he had been caught with cocaine. That had nothing to do with Paula as far as we're concerns, but it is just another charge on his record that I think it's important to bring up to add to the plethoram that he had already amassed. Yes, so Kelly, who again was Paul's older sister, hosted Paula and Kevin at her house for a Christmas party a week before Paula would be murdered, and she said that the two seemed very happy together and excited about their upcoming year's Eve plans, which were actually a venture. Or eventually. Originally the two had decided they were going to go to Vegas to spend their news you together, which would be so much fun and sure, but Paula actually learned that Lady Gaga was going to be giving a year's Eve concert in Miami the weekend of New Year's Eve and she was such a huge lady got golf and they had to go to that. So they change their plans and now they're planning on coming down to Florida to attend that concert. Kelly actually invited the couple to spend a year's Eve with her but, as I've just stated, they declined because they already had other plans. So oper than the year's Eve weekend of two thousand and ten, which would be twenty or two thousand and nine, changing over two thousand and ten, just we're clear. So over New Year's Eve weekend two thousand and ten, Paula and Kevin were headed down to Miami and just a quick little note. Before Paula left, she told her mother, Passy, not to worry, she would be home in time for her birthday and that she had something very special planned. So, by all accounts, Paulo was planning on coming home and spending Patty's birthday with her family. The morning of January third, two thousand and ten, Paula and Kevin Arrive at a nightclub called club space around zero in the morning, which, both of them, being in their late S, I'm much I must say, is quite impressive. Again, will and I are twenty one and I can't imagine not being in bed at five am and eleven. Yeah, same. So no matter what I've been doing, I'm going to be in bed at five am. So props to both of them for that. Once they arrived at club space, Paula was reportedly getting drink spot for her consistently the whole time they were there and was reported to have been quite intoxicated. After spending a few hours at the club, Paula began to...

...exhibit certain behaviors that Kevin wasn't too fond of, and after listing them, I'm sure you'll understand that I think he was being reasonable. Yeah, not being too fond of these behavior. Yeah, reportedly she was lifting up her dress, which was described as a very revealing and tight teal dress that just showed off her voluptuous figure, despite the fact that she was not wearing any underwear underneath, and it was also reported that she was dancing with other men. That's that's just like to add insulted injuries. She's not wearing any underword, showing everybody and that her man's like wow. Yeah. So again, can't blame Kevin for that one, and I'm sure Paula would have been embarrassed to know that she was doing that too. I know people do dump things when they're too intoxicated, and I can't imagine her, as a sober woman, doing that. She's just walks UPO. Yeah, so, after this behavior have been going on for a little bit, Kevin would grab her by the arm and attempt to usher her out of the club, but Paula would resist, insisting that she was having, quote, the time of her life. This altercation, however, would lead to Kevin being kicked out of the club for, quote, causing a scene. This altercation was not reported to have been particularly violent, just Kevin grabbing her arm and Paula resisting. But Kevin was seen on security footage exiting the nightclub at seventeen am them, so that's almost two and a half hours after the couple arrived at the club. After leaving clubs face, Kevin reports that he immediately hails a cab and heads back to the couple's hotel where he just falls asleep almost instantly. And again, Kevin was reportedly fairly intoxicated as well, so I believe this. I believe he could have just, without thinking, called a cab right away and gone back just passed out and I think in a moment. Yeah, makes it. I mean, I don't blame them. Hm. And just minutes, maybe even seconds, after Kevin Hopson to a cab, Paula is seen on security footage being escorted out of the club on January four at twenty one am. So again and seventeen. That's five minutes at the most. But we don't know how long it took Kevin to hale a cab, so it truly could have been seconds after he exited the area. She was kicked out as well, because it is clubs faces policies to remove both parties after a fight, despite who was at fault. I'm not sure why they weren't escorted out together, but really, wow. Yeah, I know, I want to be honest. I know. First I agree, once we find out more information, I agree that that is very suspect. MM. So, Kevin Awakes around thirty am, and then is still the day of January fourth, and he's a little bit worried to find that Paula does not appear to have made it back to their room yet. He Asks Hotel Staff if they've seen her and none of them have. So he begins calling around to local hospitals and after that he began just going around two places that he thought she...

...might be and asking people if they'd seen her. When none of this works, he would call the police to report her missing and he would also immediately hire a private investigator named David Wasser, who immediately began the search. Every source I can find seems to indicate that he hired this Pi again almost immediately after reporting her missing, which I think speaks to Kevin's innocence on the accounts. I think that is I personally think that clears I mean, he definitely will get into theories later, obviously, but he could have done something to her when he was drunk. Cannot remembered it, but in any case I think this speaks to him at least not knowing, once he stibered up, what happened to her for sure, because I don't think if he was guilty he would have started looking immediately after he woke up. So at around nine pm on January two thousand and ten, which was the same day that, or so I have here, the same day, but I'm going to call myself of for that. It was the night before Paula would be reported missing on the early hours of January fourth. So around nine pm on January Fourth of two thousand and ten, which was the same day that Paula had been seen exiting the nightclub. Very early in the morning, a dumpster fire was reported by a man named Christopher Michael about ten miles from club space. Upon distinguishing the flames, the firefighter is made of very grizzly discovery which prompted them to immediately call on their discovery was a body that was already far too burnt to identify. They couldn't even tell if there was a man or a woman at this point. But Paula was seen by multiple witnesses, including club employees, exiting club and immediately walking to her right, and then she was seen running into a man. The two reportedly talked for a second before clasping hands and walking towards a parking lot that was to the right of the club. A truck was also seen heading the wrong way down a one way road towards a woman matching Paula's description before she was found, and the driver of that truck was described as a middle aged white man. Paula's mother would receive a call from the Miami Police Department saying that they needed Paul's dental records because a body had been found in a dumpster. That might possibly be her daughter, which, my God, is a mother. I can't that might God. They call you tell me you yeah, and again, Paula is from Michigan and I know she was in Miami at the time, but just, I don't know. To me that's such a far distance that you would never expect the Miami police to be calling. Yeah, and then, I top of that, then you have like they do wake up to it. HMM. They they figured out on the morning. You're just like Jesus Christ. Yeah, because I'm sure the mom was now on my partying. So she makes up to this call that like, Hey, your daughter might be this body that we found. We have her dental records. Oh my gosh, let's set a confirm a theory. Yeah, so it would take three days. That must have been absolutely agonizing for her entire family. But eventually the body was identified as Paula s the Douski. It was actually stated that Kevin had...

...called the coroner's office to see if anybody's matching Paul's description had been found, which again some people think is suspect. But I think at this point, when he called them, Kevin had already been going to gas stations and stores and clubs and anything he thought Paula might have been to. He had already called the police, he'd already called a Pi. So I think calling to see if a body matching her description had been found at this point is not super out of you. or No, absolutely not. And actually they reported that a body matching that description might have been found and they asked Kevin if Paula had any body piercings, which she did, and at this point Kevin reports his heart sinking. However, when they showed him said body piercings. They were so charred that Kevin could not confirm or deny that they weren't Paula's. To this day, police have not been able to identify Paula's cause of death because no knife or gunshot wounds could be found on the body. But it was too burnt to be able to tell if strangulation is a possible. If strangulation was a possibility, however, this is what the police largely theorize, and I think her skeleton obviously had not been burnt. I'm not super sure if you'd be able to identify stab wounds on a skeleton, but you're definitely able to identify gun shot wounds. Yeah, definitely hit, hit any sort of bone, there be a hole and whatever it was as well. So in almost likely. But I say it's probably straangulation. I agree. So not long after Paul's death, her mother and her sister got into a fight over something kind of odd. Kelly discovered that Patsy, who is the mother, was about to auction off a lot of Paul's belongings, including her Barbie doll collection which, as we mentioned earlier, Paula idolize the Barbie life that is a collection she would never have given away. Patsy would claim that this was only a so she could come up with reward money, which I mean I understand. I'm not sure how wealthy the family was, but if that's something you think will help, I don't know, you already know your daughter is dead at this point. So she's not coming back for the Barbie Doll. Yeah, I don't blame her for wanting to sell the like. She's not going to keep her room intact. Hmm as more. Yeah, and I mean she might, but that's usually something we see in missing persons cases. Yeah, cases of people that have already been identified, as says. Yeah, so from what I can find, there is currently a twenty eight thousand dollar reward out for finding Paul's killer, fourteen thousand of which was put up by largely Paula's sister, and it was actually matched by the owners of club space, which is incredible because they really didn't have a lot of incentive to do that. She did go missing after exiting their club, but I don't think that's something that would be common necessarily of the last place that someone was seen. So I applaud club space immensely for doing that as props...

...to them run. So we've pretty much described at this point what happened to or what happened to, Paul's body, at least after she was discovered, and the circumstances leading up to that. So now we are going to get into some theories. So the first theory, obviously, is Kevin, Paula's boyfriend at the time. Patsy, who again is Paul's mother, is very insistent that Paula lived in constant fear of Kevin and that he had on mustiple occasions, threatened Paul's life, even stating that he would cut her body into pieces and that they would never find it. I don't know this is significant, but her body was not cut into pieces. So if that's what Kevin was threatening, it's not what happened. I mean, all things considered, since most of their fights always happened when they were like completely wasted, I would say it's not out of the ordinary. Too, in the heat of a moment, on top of being completely inhibited, to saying I'll kill you and chop you into that. I mean it's quite specific, yes, but it's out of the ordinary, but not for this couple like that's not something I believe. Ever said, I did drend anyone. So Kella, who is Paul's sister again, believes that, well, the couple did have a rocky and sometimes volatile relationship, they love each other very much and that Kevin would never hurt her and that he is innocent of any and all involvement in his sister's murder or in her sister's murder. Sorry about that. Detectives did find it odd that Kevin Left Paul at the club. However, it was later explained to them by Kevin that it was fairly normal behavior for the couple. Paula often wanted to stay out partying longer than Kevin and she had been fending for herself on the streets of Detroit her whole life, so she wasn't afraid to walk home alone very late at night. And this does raise a red flag for me, because I would never leave my friends at a club while they were intoxicated. I especially would never leave a significant other. Yeah, I definitely have been in the place, so we're drunk or not. I wanted to stay longer than other people, so I can understand, especially someone that was very intoxicated, being insistent on like the other person day say, yeah, and again, if Kevin is telling the truth, and I believe he is, that Paula often would stay out later than him, you know, if they are in a new city, especially when he's drunk. I don't think that's something. Yeah, extremely out of the ordinary. Yeah, I would have waited as well. But if this ha mantes, if this happened often, I mean I I don't necessarily blame him. He should have waited and I'm sure he's going to beat himself up about that for the rest of his life, but I don't think it makes him a killer. Is what I'm trying to say. And again, Kevin was the one who almost immediately rang the alarm bells as soon as he woke up and realize that Paula had not come back to the hotel room. He also was asked to...

...strip down by the police once he reported her missing, and there were absolutely no marks on his body indicating a struggle. And according to Paula's sister, Kelly quote, anyone who did this would be covered in scratches. My sister was a fighter. He's also on security footage leaving the club and entering a cab before Paula, and he's also in security footage or bribing back at the hotel, and the hotel staff confirms that they saw him. The two things that I feel was strongly point towards his innocence are the fact that he had no vehicle that would allow him to transport the body and the dumpster where Paul's body would eventually be found was more than a mile from club space and much more than a mile from the hotel they were staying at, as well as the fact that the police have stated that the dumpster was in a location that would likely only be accessible by locals, as in only locals would likely know that it was there. He would have to have been extremely lucky to just come across that, and it's not an area that tourists tended to visit. So again, extremely lucky if he just found that no one's walking around with a body in his hands. Yeah, well, and I were talking earlier, if some man that again, Paula's body was dumped, for lack of a better term, the same day that she went missing, Kevin Likely still would have been, I think, intoxicated on his way to dump said body. So that means there would be a very large, very drunk man carrying a woman in his arms that no one in Miami saw, like stumbling around body and a should. Yeah, and I'm sure all of you know Miami is a very populated city. So yeah, I think someone would have seen that, especially I'm sure it could be passed off as first there. It could be passed off at first as someone just carrying their junk friend home, but once you're walking for like a mile, yeah, once this murder was widely reported, which it was, I'm sure if this had been seen, someone in Miami would have been like, I think I was just, yeah, awesome, go carrying Uh Huh. So the second theory is that a bouncer or an employee of the club that they were dancing in that night was responsible, and this theory was, from what I can find, put forward by Kevin after he viewed the security footage of Paula leaving the nightclub, in which you can see two bouncers and one club employee following close behind her. Does any also state that when they eventually come up with the sketch of the person that he looked at it and he said that that they he was reminded of one of the bouncers. Yes, he does. I'm I don't remember if it was a bouncer or just another employee, but when the eventual sketch is release, and we'll get to when that was really snow worries. He does state that it very much reminded him of an employee at the club that night. But again, club space argues that this is not possible. It's not possible for one of their employees to be responsible, as they would have noticed one of their employees just being absent for that long while they were on the clock, and they also have pay stuffs to prove that all of their...

...employees were there for the entirety of their ships that night. I don't think the bouncer theory is particularly likely, or not even Bouncer, but the club employee theory is that likely, just because I don't see what motivation the club would have to cover up for them. I mean, I understand wanting to protect your reputation as one of the most prestigious clubs warming in Miami, but that would take every employee for more than for ten years now, yeah, to never say a word. I mean if it was by chance one of them, I mean I could see why they covered it up, purely because the lawsuit alone. Oh yeah, I wanted their employees killing her, but I can see management covering it up, definitely. But I like say the bartender, though. Yeah, probably, why would you? Yeah, that's fair. And the final theory is that it was just some random either person that had been dancing at the club that night or someone that saw a very intoxicated Paula exiting the bar. So Paula was reportedly seen by multiple witnesses, none of who have been named, including club employed, including club employees, though, apparently walking to the right immediately when she exited the club and running right into a man. The two talked for about a second before they clasped hands and watch towards a parking lot that, again was near the club. Club space says this man could not have been one of their patrons, since it was reported that he was wearing shorts, and that does not fit their dress code. You have to be wearing at least jeans, but likely something nicer, to have gotten into this club. Enough people saw this man with Paula, and for a long enough time that there's actually a very detailed sketch of him, which I will definitely post on the instagram and twitter. And Kevin Disputes this theory because he doesn't believe that Paula would have walked away with a man she didn't know. He thinks she was too street smart for that. However, I'm not disputing the fact that she was street smart, but I know drunk people do things that they very much would not do. Yes over, so she was to the point where she was black out drunk. I can see maybe she thought he looks like one of her friends or acquaintances or some man she'd been dancing with in the club and was like yeah, whatever, help me back to my hotel, thinking it was and yeah, and it very much wasn't. No, absolutely. Paula sister believes that Paula was murdered by someone random, likely someone that wanted to sexually assault her. And while the police have not rolled out any suspects, they also feel that it was most likely a random local that just happened to come across Paula that morning and wanted something, again, likely sex, from her, and after he got that, willingly or unwillingly, he murdered her and set her body on fire, both to conceal evidence and to make identification of the body much harder, because I mentioned this earlier, but when the body was found it...

...had been burning for about half an hour, so the police were totally unable to tell whether it was a man or a woman at the forefront of finding the body. Now it's as is most likely. I mean, all things considered, it had to be somebody was local, especially because of Lakers that earlier where the dumpster was. Yeah, yeah, it's like on top of that, it had to be someone who was who is known, because everybody who saw the fire didn't actually see anyone dumping it. So I've already stated I believe that I don't think Kevin was responsible for this crime. I definitely think a random act of violence is the most likely option here. And something we hadn't mentioned before is that the dumpster where her body was dumped in that eventually set in fire was right next to a propane factory. So that leads me to maybe either an employee of the propane factory or someone that knew it well, knew where it was likely set this fire, because if that factory had exploded, yeah, what are the odds of them even finding this body? Well, I mean it's not far fetched completely, because this is also considered one of the what the top Bar, top club specifically in Miami, and like, they're hours are actually quite insane. Yeah, they're only open from Saturday, very, very late Saturday night to around mid afternoon on Sunday. They're not open any other days of the week. So that's a very specific it's only less than twelve hours even. Yeah, so I would say that an employee from that propane factory, if he did it, it wouldn't be out of the question. Yeah, or an ex employee or a family member of someone that work there, or someone that just knew there was a probing factory there because, like I said, I think if that factory had exploded, maybe they would have found something of her body, but maybe not. Yeah, maybe they were hoping that it would just look like an accidental dumpster fire had lit this whole section of the city and they would have never found anything. Yeah. No, that one actually sounds probably the most. It's actually quite interesting that it's also right right next to the PROPANEA. Yeah, I agree, like girls like Shit. I hadn't really thought about that until well, and I were doing research earlier today. But, like, what are the odds of them just picking a dumpster that was next to a propane factory, like one of the most explosive substances we have that's identify a body. Now, I'm not someone that believes there are no coincidences, ever, but in the case of murder, I don't think there are that many coincidences and I think that is definitely something that was probably not a coincidence. HMM. So, yeah, those are the three theories. Like I said, there's her boyfriends Kevin, a bouncer and or employee at Club space that evening, or a random act of violence. I've been saying throughout this whole podcast, I think a random act of violence is definitely most likely. I...

...just I don't know. I'm not trying to call the witness statements in the question because obviously the police believe them, but I'm sure that other patrons of club space that night were at least a bit intoxicated as well, so I'm not sure how accurate the description of the man might have been. Maybe he was in fact wearing pants and they just remembered it a shorts or some yeah, so he could have been especially like five am. Yes, I don't remember anything, but I am yeah, wait, what time was? She came out at like seven. Actually, right, she came out of twenty one am. So, but so, if you had been partying since it lay before. Yeah, I'm nice, I'll be honest with you. If you're on, if you're going on that time, that time crunch. Yeah, even two hours doesn't sound like a super long time. Again, Kevin and Paula arrives at the club at five am, but if you've been drinking continuously for two hours, that's a lot, just like in partying. Uh Huh. Yeah, like, I wouldn't be surprised. If so, your judgment could definitely be impaired. I'm not I don't think that anyone gave false testimony willingly, but they could have been remembering something wrong because they were either very tired of very intoxicated of time. So yeah, I just think a local about very lucky and maybe he was even kind of patrolling the party area or the Party districts looking for someone that looked V on Ale and Paula was this absolute knockout that he was like, Whoa, that's the one. I far on my I've made my choice. For two hours of looking, it's just so, so sad because again she was she exited the club possibly seconds after Kevin had hailed that cab. So if he had just waited five more minutes, yeah, and taking her to the hotel. It's just for me, it's like terrifying because like that we said in the beginning, like we're both twenty one and she's twenty six, was like we're always told we have like our lives ahead of throughs was cut so short, so short, brutally. Kevin, from all accounts I can find, has been beating himself up about this since it happens, and I don't blame him. I absolutely would be too. I mean, you never you never assume that anything bad is going to happen to you or your loved ones. It always happens to someone else. So, especially in a drunk state of mind, I can absolutely see him thinking, well, she's gonna be fine. She doesn't all the time. Yeah, Troit, which is much less of a safe city, so if I leave her whatever, she'll find her way back. And they were also in a very wealthy area. So, sadly, we assume that less crime is going to occur or less crimes of this sort are going to occur in more affluent areas. So I just feel so bad for everyone involved, except the murder I think her family truly has no idea what happened and just want answers. I think heaven has no idea what happened. Decide from what the police have told us and just once answers. This is a very,...

...very sad case. Beautiful, kind, intelligent woman was taken from the world, not just her family and loved ones, far too soon and ten years. Honestly, cold cases have been solved with much longer times than that, so I'm still very hopeful that the police can solve this one. I very much hope that they can. From what I've could find, there haven't been any murders in the area that have been reminiscent of this one, and by that I mean nobody's turned into dumpsters and some fire. But that's doesn't necessarily mean that he hasn't killed anyone else. I think that it's generally unlikely for someone that commits an act this horrific, yeah, to not do something else. So maybe he will commit a similar act in the future. I hope he doesn't, but maybe if something like this occurs again, the police will be able to catch him through that. We would make the connection. Yeah, I don't know. Who was clearly at least somewhat intelligent, because the fire got rid of any forensic evidence that would have loosed him up. I think I was on Reddit earlier as well, researching this case, and I saw a bunch of theories that suggested said that the murderer might have been someone that was undocumented, and I never want to incriminate someone just for being undocumented. I'm not not of that mindset at all, but I do think that it would make it a lot easier for the police to not be able to catch that person because they don't know that they were here because life, because like the picture, the only picture that they have. Oh, he's clearly a Hispanic man, especially the fact that they're in Miami, claiming but maybe not even Hispanic. But he's not Caucasian. Yeah, at the very least not. So it wouldn't end the fact that they're in Miami. Yeah, my dad lives in Miami, so I know. I've been there, yeah, at least twenty five times, and I know that this is not an improbable theory, or not not even improbable, but not an implausible theory that that definitely could be the case and that would make it that much easier for the perpetrators to just go back to whatever country they might have hailed from and never be on the police's radar even at all. You know, no one would be the way, and countries, to my knowledge, unless they're actively looking, don't share DNA profiles with each other. So you know, if this man has been incriminated in a different country, it's not likely to be something that the US would ever find. Unless, again, they hear about a woman being killed in a very similar circumstances Paula and they're like hey, so that could be our guy. Give us but about HMM. But again, this case is just so, so sad and I pray for justice...

...for her family every day. It's I learned about this case a little over a year ago from the trace evidence podcast, to I very highly recommend going to listen to his episode on it. It's very detailed, very well researched, very good. This is just an awful, awful, brutal case and I hope that justice is found much sooner rather than later. Yeah, so, thank you so much well for joining me today. It's beauiful and, as always, I just want to be sure. Did you lock your door? And, as always, I just want to make sure. Did you lock the door?.

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