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Episode 10 · 1 year ago

The Strange Disappearance of Asha Kreimer

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Hi and welcome back to did you lock thedoor, the PODCAST, I'm your host, Peyton Reese! Thank you so much fortuning in today and before we get into today's case. I just want to talk forjust a quick second about what's been going on. I know a lot of podcasts havedelled into it and it's been on the news nonstop. So don't worry, I'mdefinitely not going to talk about it for more than like thirty seconds, but I just want to make sure that all ofyou are staying safe, saying, healthy, practicing social distancing. I knowlife has been so difficult and strange since this quarantine started, but I'mconfident that if we all do our part, we will definitely get through thistogether. But anyway, now to get into today's case, we are going to bediscussing the disappearance of a lovely woman named Osha Kreamer. Thisis a case I heard on the thin air podcast. Actually, that's not where Iheard of it. So I am in a bunch of different true crime. Discussion groupson facebook for all my favorite podcast, like true crime, garage trace, evidence,Crime Junkie. The first degree you name it, but I heard about this one I believe itwas on true crime garages, facebook page it might have been trace evidence,but I'm pretty sure I was Thu crime garage when someone posted the weirdestmissing, purses, missing persons, cases or murder cases that you've ever heardof that you really want solved. This is one of them. So of course I clicked thelink that they attached and this one is very interesting. It's not the weirdest one. I've everheard for sure. I actually have a pretty firm belief as to what happened.I think it it's a little obvious that it's one of two things in my opinion,but it's definitely very interesting and the story definitely needs to be told.So today we are going to be discussing the disappearance of Osha Kramer, so Asha was born on May Secon, onethousand nine hundred and eighty nine making her a Tauris. I'm not super goodabout remembering Zodiac signs just by hearing a date, so I was really excitedwhen I saw Ma second, because I thought she might be a Gemani which is my sign,but no a little too earlier for that she's a Taris. She was born inAustralia to her mother named Genie Creamer, her father died when she was very young,so there's not much information about him out there. He will come up a littlebit in this podcast, but his actual involvement in this case isobviously not existent because, like I just said, he passed away when she wasvery young. Asha is always described so wonderfully by everyone that knew herfriends, Famley woyfriend at the time she's described very loving, veryspiritual and introspective, and very outgoing and kind. She would always bewilling to be friendly to everyone, and I think, honestly, looking at her,she looks like someone that would have just a great Oura, very kind and gentleenergy she's, a very beautiful girl, and it seems like the what was inside,reflected that as well, so in wo, thousend and twelve. Her and her family moved from Australiato Albian California, and she would have been twenty two ortwenty three at the time and she would actually retain her Australiancitizenship as well as gaining her US citizens, it citizenship, so she helddual citizenship at the time and at the time of her eventual disappearance,which would be in two thousad and fifteen. She had been living with herboyfriend, whose name was or is Jamy...

Gaile for three years the two had beendating for five years, but they hadn't been living together that whole time.Just for three out of those five years, Asias mom has gone on podcast like thin air and talketo the media, about concerns that she had for Osha in terms of herrelationship with Jamy, though there is no evidence to prove it. So I'mdefinitely not saying that this happened. Her Mom Genie was definitelyconcerned. There was some sort of physical or emotional abuse going on intheir relationship perpetuated by Jamai, not by Osha, and actually both Osha's,family and Jmay have been opend about the fact that the family did not likehim very much and I think I'll get into how I feel about Jamay alittle bit later, but I think at least the fact that he's open about that doessay something because I think someone with something to hide would be morelikely to try and mask that. It definitely doesn't mean that he'stotally innocent in the situation, no matter how I feel about it, but I dogive him props for being honest about the fact that him and her family didnot get along all the time, so she would disappear in September of twothousand and fifteen, and earlier that year, during the summer, she had goneto visit her sister in Los Angeles and when she returned, she didn't sayanything to Jamay, but he definitely noticed a change in her as soon as shegot back. He would state that she made severalcomments about how she quote: Didn't Love Herself Andasmuch, as he tries toremind her by saying hey, you do all these things for yourself. Every day,like you take care of yourself, you love yourself. She did not come out ofthis quote depressive state her and her sister were apparently very close, sothis was Audijemi and he thinks that something very traumatic had to havehappened to her when she went to La, and I have to agree with him there. Ithink it's definitely possible that nothinghappened and she just found herself in the midst of a personal end ornamentalhealth crisis, but it would seem to me that something hadhappened, big or small. Well, she was with her sister that sort of triggeredthis change in her. In my opinion, that's not something that just happens.It definitely is possible that it just happened, but I believe that maybe her sister and herhad a conversation that shook her up a little or something of that sort. Jamy would also state that, followingher visit to La many of their conversations were about deep personalissues, whereas being together for five years. Of course, they talked aboutstuff like that things that were deep and emotional and personal, butnormally their relationship was more lighthearted and fun and after hervisit to La it, just wasn't that anymore. So, on September, sixteenth oftwo thousand and fifteen one of Osha's, lifelong friends name Sally came tostay with her they'd been friends, since they were very little. So thisshould have been a very positive and fun experience for Asha. However, Ashawas still not back to her usual self. At this time and Jmai stated on thethin air podcast that Osha actually seemed apprehensive to Sally Coming, hestated that she didn't really want Sally to be there and upon her arrivalit just seemed like they lost their groove or something they for beingchildhood friends. Jamy stated that there was some sort of tension orsomething they just weren't getting along very well. He even said that Osha seemed to feel like her safe space,which would be their home didn't feel safe anymore, which is very interesting to me. I don't sally to my knowledge, has never spokento the media or to anyone regarding Osha's disappearance, but I would verymuch like to know if something went down between Osha and sally even beforesally came because Asha was apprehensive even before she arrived,and I know whenever my childhood friends are...

...coming to visit, or I know I'm going tosee one of them, I'm nothing but excited. I mean I might be a littlenervous to talk to someone I haven't talked to in a while, but it's neverapprehensive. It's just some butterflies or something like that. Sothat is very interesting to me. Maybe that had to do with the mental healthcrisis that she was in the midst of. But again I think I cannot put myselfinto Osh's brain, so I'm not trying to do that at all, but I think, if I werein the midst of a crisis, seeing an old lifelong friendwould actually help me. It's not something that I again would beapprehensive to. So I very much am interested in learning more about Oshaan Sally'srelationship. So one night, Osha and sally weresaying up late talking and the conversation eventually turned prettyserious. They discussed their fathers, both of whom had died when they werevery young and they were looking at old pictures from when they were kids. Atone point, Sally pulled out a picture of an old house and Osha's demeanorinstantly changed. She stated that she had been sexually abused in that Houseas a child, though, as she is said by whom that hasnever been released, and this conversation, it seems, is when Osha'smental health issues really begin to get very. Concerning I mean, of course,her being in a depressive state is already very concerning, but this iswhere she really began to display behavior, that suggested she might harmherself or run away, or something like that when talking to Jamay about theconversation, Asha said that she had blocked the memories of her gettingmolested and that she truly before seeing that picture did not rememberwhat happened around this time. She also just started repeating out ofnowhere quotes. I haven't gotten over my father's death. It was also at this time that shestopped both sleeping and eating, despite my continuously making andbringing her her favorite meals and desserts and jamay reports that Osha was alsotalking about hurting herself. Eventually, a situation occurred whereAsha dialed, nine undred and one on her phone and she handed that phone toJamay and when he asked if she wanted him to call the police or call anambulance, she nodded her head. Yes, so he called nine hundre one to let themknow what was going on and immediately the two got in a car and he took her tothe emergency room once they arrived at the emergency room.Osha was very apprehensive to treatment and she became slightly physicallyaggressive upon hospital workers trying to treat her. She would slam her feetdown in her wheelchair that they had her in to prevent herself from beingmoved and otherwise physically act out upon hospital employees. Just trying Ohelp at one point she stood up and couldnotkeep her balance. Jamay and a hospital nurse had to walk her back to her bed.She then straightened her arms out, like Azombi according to Jamy, andthankfully a saffer had put a chair behind her to break her fall becauseafter she did this, she fell again, but she immediately got right back up andran out Jimay, who was understandably franticat this time, asked the hospital staff what he should do and they said just tofollow her at a safe distance. So as not o freak her out, he did this and he said that he saw herrun out from the hospital and onto the road where she immediately attempted toclimb into the car of a family that was driving by they. However, lock thedoors and sped off, but almost instantly following that, a car with alone man that Jami described, as quote really creepy, then stopped. Try Tondgive her ride, however, upon seeing that Jamai was watching them, he spetoff as well, which is very suspicious to me. I thinkthat man, I don't think just to put that out there. I don'tthink he had anything to do with her disappearance at all, but I definitelythink that he had sinister intentions...

...if he saw someone else watching and hesped off as fast as he could. That is very sess to me. Thankfully, though, Idon't think that man plays a large part in the case. We have no reason to thinkthat he stayed and watched Asha and Jamay, or that he came back around toget her because she will not go missing for a couple days as of yet so after trying to get into the car.With this strange man, Osha agreed to go back into the hospital with Jamayand mental health professional showed up.The name of this professional has not been released, so I will just refer tohim as his job description throughout this podcast upon his arrival, Asha began repeatingthe phrase quote: Eddie Killed, joy, unquote, Eddie and joy were ashaandJamaa's neighbors at the time, and she eventually started alternating betweenEddie killed, joy and I killed joy. Joy is still alive. Joy is not dead, sono one killed joy, but clearly she was definitely entering a crisis. At thispoint she was really not seeming to be okay. She was givenpapers by the mental health professional that would allow her to bedischarged and truly, I have no idea why she was giving these she was soclearly, not okay, I mean she had just run out into the street. Jamay hadtestified to all of her very eratic, very troublesome behavior up until thepoint that she was brought in I mean she has been kind of physically aggressive,which I'm not blaming her. For I know mental health crises can be terrifyingand they cause people to act out in all sorts of ways, but I cannot believethat the hospital agreed to discharge her so quickly. She clearly clearlyneeded professional help, but anyway she was given the discharge papers andshe took them and scribbled all over them. After she did this, the mentalhealth professional began to describe some of his patients to Osha. Hedescribed a man that slashed his wrists. He even mined themotions that he did and he described a woman whose child had recently died,and he said are these the kind of people you want to be kept with almostkind of dissuading her from getting help. Imean mental health services ore or mental health facilities, or people gofor treatment, orment to be safe spaces where you can go and find theprofessional help that you need, and he was telling her horror stories to keepher out of one, which is just. I don't even have words for that. Honestly,THAT'S INSANE! I've never heard anything like that before that is socrazy and suss and awful to me. I really again. I don't think this guy didanything suspicious, but I also don't think he deserves his job either,because I can't imagine telling someone in the kind of state that Osha wasabout a man that had died by suicide or attempted to do so just to keep her from seekingprofessional help. That really seems irrational. I just I have a hard time wrapping my headaround that, because I truly cannot believe that that happens. I mean, Iknow it did, I believe, Jami and the other workers that were there, but that's just insane. It is worth noting that the hospitalAsha was taken to is known for being underfunded and Jimay, like I just said,feels that the help she the quote help she received scared her off and madeher not want to seek any further assistance, and I agree, like I justsaid about that guy. He was telling her horror stories. The hospital wasaccusing her being on drugs, they weren't believing that she was actuallyhaving a crisis and even after testing her, they were like very lacadasical about the whole thingwhen she clearly needed some serious help. In that moment, Osha mom would stay in her interviewwith the an air podcast that the same mental health professional that hadbeen in the room with Osha and Jamay and had really done just a Pisscor job...

...would eventually call her crying sayingthat he feels he could have done more to prevent Osha from eventually goingmissing and yeadude. I have to agree you, you really bash that I must say so. Osha was eventually discharged.They eventually did get her to sign the paperwork and upon this discharge shewas not given any medication or any sort of followup or anything that mighthave helped her mental state. She was justtotally let go. She was released the evening of December twent, two thousandand fifteen, and on the way home, she would attemptto jump out of the car two times the second time she actually succeeded andshe got out, but jamay immediately pulled over and went after her, and hesuccessfully talked her back into the car once they got home. Jamay offered Osha,some tyletal pm to help her sleep, and he said that she took the bottle andacted like she was going to swallow the entire thing he has never stated what these actionswere. So I'm not sure exactly what it is. She did to cause him to think that,but he was afraid that she was going to try to harm herself with this bottle. He was able, however, to wrustle thebottle away from her, but after this she ran into the kitchen and grabbed aknife. He was also able to talk her intogiving him the knife. However, Osha did not calm down, nor did she getliterally any sleep that night. She just went back to repeating that shequote hadn't gotten over my father's death and quote the next morning. Jamai called his momand asked for advice on what to do with Osha and she suggested taking her backto the hospital to get her some sort of medication to help bring her back downto Earth. After this phone call jam, I discoveredthat Osha was no longer in their house. He would find her celphone on thestairs and her jacket in the middle of the road outside the gate, the gatethat lend to their house he and Sally then got into Demi's carand they drove around for a little bit before they finally did Find Osha justwalking down the side of the road. Apparently, while she was walking, Oshahad ran into the neighbor that she had been screaming about well in thehospital named Eddie when Eddie called Jami. To tell him this Eddie said: Dude,you better, not let her out of hersight something. Is you better not let herout of your site? Something is clearly not right with her, so that' just gouseto tell you that Eddie didn't know all shows super well, but even he couldtell that something in her was just not okay. At the moment, once they got home, Osha quickly thenran off again, but they found her pretty fast. This time she was still intheir property. Just tiding behind a tree, Jamaya asked Osha why she kept runningoff, and she expressed that she was thinking about harming herself and orending her life. Jamay Osha and Sally then decided to gofor a drive, because going for long drives was something that Osha oftenfound soothing on sid drive. They passed a little place called theRollerville Cafe, and this cafe was actually on a cliffthat led down to the ocean right by the beach they stopped because Jamay thought Oshamight be hungry. He knew she hadn't eaten in a couple of days, and he alsoknew that she loved coffee once they entered the cafe. A man cameover to make small talk with them, and Jimy stated that as soon as he began,talking, Alsha began kind of laughing and crying at the same time, in sort ofa hysterical way and Jamay said this, coupled with just how absolutelyexhausted she looks from not sleeping the past couple of days made it quite adisturbing sight, see she wasn't replying to anything that the man wassaying she was just sort of hysterically, laugh crying. So I canimagine it mas been very scary for both Jamay and Sally once they finish theirmeals or once jomay and sally finished...

...their meals, Osha once again did noteat sally got up to go to the bathroom. Alsha quickly stated that she wanted togo to the bathroom to and followed right behind her just for some context. The bathroom inthis cafe was actually or still is actually located outside in thebackyard. So Osha and Sally both would have had to physically leave therestaurant in order to go use. The restume Jamay said that Sally was not awarethat Osha had also chosen to use the bathroom right behind her, but thatAlsha was so close to her that the second sally closed, the door headingoutside Osha opened it. So she was right behind her right there once he saw that they were both outsideJamay walksd back to the car and when Sally came back around the two realizedthat they did not know where Asha was jamay asked Sallie. If Osha had been inthe bathroom with her, and she said no, she had no idea reportedly, that Ashahad gone so they began frankly searching the property, but stoonrealized that they likely would not find her there after searching for anhour or two sally expressed that she was very tired, so jamay drove her backto their house and then Jamaya grabbed theire two dogs and left to go back andcontinue the search, calling the police on the way to report her missing sum. Iinitially believed that Osha had gotten into a car just with some random passerby because, if Youl remember when she ran out of the hospital, that isexactly what she tried to do. However, he now believes that she lefton foot and actually kind of a Saturdayinterjection here, the Same Night September, twenty frse that Asha Immissing both of their dogs got out and Jamy was able to find one dog thanks tosecurity cameras that one of their neighbors had. However, the other dog,a German shepherd that I have not been able to find the name of anywhereonline has still not been found to this day in what is kind of a sweet sentiment.Jamai says that he believes the PUP went out to look for Asha, which Ibelieve to I'm sure, that's true, but that is just so sad that Jamay losthis girlfriend in one of his beloterd dogs. In the same day, the sheriff'sOffice, thankfully, was interested in looking for Osha, but sadly not for thepepper, which I know is not that unusual. You definitely probablywouldn't get plice involved when you lose theanimal. Unless it's to some sort of criminal circumstance, but that is just that. I wish that my headHelpe finding that will puppy, but something else that this is probably nothing, but it juststood out a bit to me. So I know US crime junkies when we're watching acrime show or listening to a podcast or something- and we hear someone refer tothe victim in a very nonchalant way or not by their name or as like thatperson that woman that man, it kind of parks our yours a little bit, becausewe know that that can definitely be a red flag and in Jamaa's interview withthe Thin Air Podcast, he only refers to the dog, as quote the German Shepherd,and quote he never gives a name. He never gives t a gender. He only saysthe German shepherd which again, as a true crime, fan kind of comes off asapathetic to me. I mean there's emotion in his voice when he is talking aboutall of this, but it's just odd to me that the Germanshepherd were his choice of words. Every time many news, articles andInternet forums like red in and such speculate that this dog actually wetmissing, because Osha came back for it, but the neighbor I mentioned earlier hadcameras. Some other people in the area had cameras, and it is just believethat someone would have seen her or she would have been caught on CCTV. Had shecome back for the puppy. I actually...

...very much do believe. Jamaya's theorythat one of the dogs just sensed that something was wrong and he went out tolook for his mom, so that is essentially all that led up to Osha'sdisappearance. It is like I said earlier, not one of the most twisty torney ones. I've everheard, but it's certainly very interesting and it certainly deservesattension, because clearly, Osha had some sort of crisis right before shewent missing and if she's still out there, she needs all the help she canget. So we're going to get into theories. Imean, I think there are three that I would say are plausible.Two of them are kind of the same. They just have different end games. If you will, but the firstone is that Osha is not working on one of the many marijuana farms in HumboltCounty California, this county and the job market are bothprominently featured on the Netflix, Tocku series, murder, mountain andactually Asha's mom appears in one of the episodes where she is shown askinglocals if they've seen, Osha and if you've seen this show, I watched it along time ago. So I don't super, remember all the details. Of course Iwatched I rewatched the episode that has oshismon in it before sitting downto record this, but it's essentially about the criminal underbelly of themarijuana farms in California, particularly in Humbolt County, and howmany people seem to go there and just disappear and, of course, Osha wouldhave disappeared before going to Humbolt County. If that's infact what she did, but she is still a missing person that is connected insome way to these marijuana farms. So that is whatboth her mom, her family and Jamy believe happened to her, and this is the theory. I think I leantoward this theory and one other theory equally, because traces of Osha haven't been seen or shehasn't been heard from since she disappeared. So I think it's definitely possiblethere ave, so many people that have gone out to work on these farms andjust are never seen or heard from again and that's my choice, and it definitelyis clear that Osha wanted to get away. So I definitely think his is possible.I think this is the best case senario for both her and her family. So truly,I hope that this is what happened to her. The second theory is very similar. LikeI said, just different end games is that she is out there somewere just wandering around. Maybe she became adrifter or became homeless. Maybe she has amnegia and doesn't remember whereher home and family are but yeah that she is still alive, whichwe all went to believe hat, that she is not coming home either by choice orbecause she no longer remembers where home is and, of course, the third theory isthat Osha died by suicide. That day that she went missing if you'llremember, the Rollerville cafe that they ate at was right by a cliff. Shehad already tried to run off a cliff once in the previous few days, and shehad consistently expressed to jmy that she was thinking about harming herself. Of course, absolutely no one wants thisstery to be true. I so hope that it's not. It is definitely one that I lean towards equally as muchas I lean toward the marijuana farm theory. But what gives me hope is that her body hasnever been found and even if she had jumped into the ocean when someone diesby suicide, it's more likely than not that their body will be foundeventually and she's been missing for years now and no trace of her has beenfound it all and like I'm apreating myself now, butI'm just fairly confident that if she had chosen to end her life thatday, that something would have been...

...found to kind of point us in thatdirection. But you know now that I have talked about it for a little bit. Ithink I am going to take the side of the boyfriend in the family and go withthe murder mountain theory. I think I just talked myself out of the lasttheory because, like I literally just said, I think something of her wouldhave been found and there would be evidence to point to the fact that shehad died by Stuicide, but I'm very hopeful that she didn't makethat decision and that she's living her best life on a farm somewhere and hopefully, hopefully, hopefully,one day her family, her. I guess you would call Hin herexboyfriend that loves her. So much still to this day, they all do well onethey have answers. So this has been the story of thedisappearance of Osha Kramer. Thank you all so so much for listening. I hopethis has stracted you a little bit from the quarantine boredom that I knowwe're all facing REMEM ER to wash your hands, don't touch your face, stay safeand make sure you lock your doors by.

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